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Re: Another BBR attempt to justify music pirating
said by TKJunkMail  :This is about the 50th attempt(probably a slight exaggeration; very slight) over the last year by BBR to justify music pirating. I'd like to see the reasons that they think stealing music is a justified activity. Sure the music publishers make tons of money, and they only promote certain artists. But that doesn't justify the stealing. If artists want to control their own fate, let them get together, find some investors, and start their own distribution channels outside of the RIAA. Let them distribute using P2P channels, and let them depend on voluntary PayPal accounts to make some profits. And about 2 yrs down the road, the artists and their investors will be whining like the RIAA about the lowlifes not paying for their work. My Web PageJoin Red Room Forum Another BBR attempt to justify music pirating.
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said by unigamer :Well, it is stealing... but, as with many laws, there's a big gap between the law, and the enforcement of the law. LOL If every stupid little law on the books were enforced everywhere, they'd have to build a zillion new jails... and get aliens to be the jailors. Because I'm sure that almost all of us were guilty of something at some time.  Actually, the law defines the act as copying and infringement. Says nothing about "stealing." |
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said by TKJunkMail : I make up posting sigs and change on a regular basis. Not surprising; and explains a lot.
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1 edit | said by Brownbay :said by TKJunkMail : I make up posting sigs and change on a regular basis. Not surprising; and explains a lot. And what does it explain? And please list your accreditations to make psychological evaluations based on a 2 sentence posting.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Brownbay :said by TKJunkMail : I make up posting sigs and change on a regular basis. Not surprising; and explains a lot. And what does it explain? And please list your accreditations to make psychological evaluations based on a 2 sentence posting. One doesn't have to have a degree in Psych to gather an impression of someone.  |
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fireflier
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N3OGH
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Way to Troll..
I'm so goddamn sick of how everything here deteriorates into partisan political bullshit.
When Napster first came out, did I download songs? Sure I did. My reasoning?
1: A lot of the songs I wanted (obscure 70's stuff) was not available in stores.
2: A lot of the stuff I wanted was on $20 CD's, and all I wanted was 1 song.
With the advent and proliferation of single song download services (not just iTunes, but a myriad of services), there is no legitimate reason not to go to a legal source to download the music you want.
Let's face it, if you're not willing to pay .99 for a song you want, you're noting but a 2 bit thief. I've downloaded a lot of songs for .99 that I thought were crap, and ended up deleting. It's .99! people, GET A GRIP.
I'm no friend of the RIAA, but since so many legal avenues to download music cheaply exist, it is getting harder and harder to fall on the side of folks who consistently bitch and moan about downloading music illegally on P2P services.
A short list of things that cost more than a buck...
A 16oz cup of coffee: $1.15
A 22oz Coca Cola $1.39
A gallon of gas $2.35
A lays "grab bag" of Doritos is a buck and a quarter around here for chirssake.
Let's face it, if you can afford 1: a broadband connection, 2: a computer that will facilitate the use of today's P2P networks, and 3: the CD burner to burn the CD's to export your illegally downloaded music to your CD player, you sure as HELL can afford to blow a dollar (a BUCK, .99C!!!!) on a song you might want...
Technology has caught up to this argument, and it has become totally moot. You can download almost any single song you might possibly want for a fair price, and the rights to it's use are, for the most part, pretty generous, as long as you're not trying to give it away for free.
I used to be a big advocate for the argument in favor of P2P, but not any more. If you're not willing to pay .99 for a song you might possibly want, I can't see where you were willing to pay anything for it in the first place... |
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CX 747-400 | Just because one doesn't feel a price is justified by a product doesn't mean they are a thief.
That doesn't make trading songs right. It also doesn't make trading them wrong. |
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I can see where one not having a degree in Psych.One would simply be out standing in the field
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legal online downloads are all low quality, overcompressed trash.
»www.beatport.com
»www.edmdigital.com
»www.fiberlineaudio.com
»www.djdownload.com
Most of those offer lossless and/or WAV downloads along with 320 kbps mp3s, so you're a bit off the mark (and those are just off the top of my head). |
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Kearnstd
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a 320k MP3 cant be seperated from a CD in quality. ive played Burned from MP3 and store bought CDs in my truck and cant tell the difference.
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stet
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| said by Kearnstd :a 320k MP3 cant be seperated from a CD in quality. ive played Burned from MP3 and store bought CDs in my truck and cant tell the difference. Just because you can't tell the difference doesn't mean that there isn't one, because there is.
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1 edit | A truck it probably not the best place to judge sound quality. Actually, headphones seem to cause flaws to show up the most. Particularly for quieter passages.
Realize, too, that all CD recordings are not the same. The original production quality and source method can impact audio quality.
Most of the music I listen to, the 128kbps ITunes AAC or 256kbps MP3 is fine, however I do hear loss on certain songs. There is NO compression method that will not affect the audio in some way. Unless the infrastructure becomes economically feasible to deliver 50 Mb music files online, then online music will have to sacrifice quality for convenience.
Then you add DRM in, which decides what level of convenience is appropriate. The jury is definitely still out on this one. Right now, I think ITunes has the best package. ITunes's restrictions are outweighed by the security, virus, moral, and legal issues of filesharing, but are still better than buying an overpriced CD worth of junk for 1 good song. CD's become even less desirable when they starting adding terms and conditions for personal use.
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stet
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| There are some loss less forms of music compression, but they are not as popular as iTunes' AAC or MP3s are, mostly because the files are larger.
Personally I never want just 1 song (if an band only puts out 1 song that I'm interested in, then I'm just not interested in that band), so services like iTunes are not for me. Buying CDs is great because I get the best possible quality for most music (some music is now available on better media, but not much yet) and don't have to worry about DRM or other issues. I can, if I wanted to, convert it to any other format for any specific reason.
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| said by stet : and don't have to worry about DRM or other issues. I can, if I wanted to, convert it to any other format for any specific reason. And that is what the music industry wants to stop. And that I disagree with. My impression is that they want music to be like software...you buy only the right to hear the song on one device according to their terms and conditions. Little Jimmy wants the song on his MP3 player and his sister Little Suzy also wants it on hers. Why let Jimmy rip the song and give it to his sister when Mommy and Daddy will shell out $1.98 to download it twice?
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said by Karl Bode :You're in such a rush to grab the first spot on every news post every day on every subject, I'm pretty sure you don't actually read any of them. I agree. He obviously has nothing better to do. You guys should lobby congress to pass a bill to put all these retirees back to work instead of them mooching off social security and causing a raucous. |
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I'm sure Dave Grohl would laugh at this! Esp. this 1st comment here...
I heard him on the radio once (napster era) and he was very open about the arguments. He believes (as MANY artist do) that sharing is in our nature. That if somebody hears his stuff and likes it, that's one more fan even if they might not buy the album. It matters more that the exposure is happening so that when they TOUR those people show up. Of course many artists would not make it w/out distro/publishers/sharks of all types taking their cut along the way.
That's not the issue.
Surprise, foo sells foo! Does it matter one bit that it's also a top 'shared' song? Maybe, and it also shows from that article that they've sold a boatload of discs! That, IMO, is the fracking issue. Foo Fighters are proving to everybody that both worlds can exist... BBR is NOT saying hey everybody go find free Foo Fighters 'cause they're popular and stuff... Who taught you how to read, and between what lines???
I'm not even a big fan of the FOO, but dammit, Dave seems like an awesome guy. This story proves that 'sharing' aside, music still matters to people. Get over it. Pay for Rhapsody, go to iTunes and spend a buck or two, it's cheaper than gas and it lasts longer!!! |
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Never mind the tax on the blank CDs the RIAA gets to compensate for music piracy.
They already got their dues from that. If the RIAA wants to take students and old ladies to court over a hand full of songs the market deems as only worth .99, then the tax on the blank CDs needs to go. |
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WirelessMajr
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said by N3OGH :Way to Troll.. I'm so goddamn sick of how everything here deteriorates into partisan political bullshit. When Napster first came out, did I download songs? Sure I did. My reasoning? 1: A lot of the songs I wanted (obscure 70's stuff) was not available in stores. 2: A lot of the stuff I wanted was on $20 CD's, and all I wanted was 1 song. Let's face it, if you're not willing to pay .99 for a song you want, you're noting but a 2 bit thief. I've downloaded a lot of songs for .99 that I thought were crap, and ended up deleting. It's .99! people, GET A GRIP. A short list of things that cost more than a buck... A 16oz cup of coffee: $1.15 A 22oz Coca Cola $1.39 A gallon of gas $2.35 A lays "grab bag" of Doritos is a buck and a quarter around here for chirssake. Let's face it, if you can afford 1: a broadband connection, 2: a computer that will facilitate the use of today's P2P networks, and 3: the CD burner to burn the CD's to export your illegally downloaded music to your CD player, you sure as HELL can afford to blow a dollar (a BUCK, .99C!!!!) on a song you might want... Just because you see fit to waste a dollar on a song you don't like, don't label all of creation a thief just because everyone else doesn't comply with your personal morals.
1) Computers are relatively cheap nowadays. You don't need the latest and greatest. My mom's PII 266 will download and burn songs quite fine. Something that you pick up for $100, then purchase a cheap DVD burner (DVD burners can be had for ~$40 today) will service you for that exact purpose perfectly. You just need to make sure you have ample RAM.
2) A BUCK as you call it isnt cheap. Maybe, just maybe a person feels they have something better to do with a buck than to waste it on a lossy formatted song. For this "BUCK," I want a lossless copy of the song, as there are lossless codecs out there. |
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Lynnwood, WA | If a buck's worth nothing to you, how about sending everyone regsitered on this site a buck just to prove it? |
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