Engineer88
VIP
join:2000-12-01
Smithtown, NY
| reply to Comp6255
Re: OOLTech -- Change in backbone provider?/poor ping
OOL didn't switch to BBN. Routing beyond our internet hand-off may have changed, and we can't help that.
OOL routes traffic to a few different providers, including UUNET, Sprint, Cable & Wireless, and Digex. Beyond that first hand-off selection, there isn't much we can do.
Fly42's post shows a delay within the OOL network. This can be checked out. Try it again next week.
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Comp6255
join:2001-04-22
Stratford, CT | reply to Anon
Nice Starfleet Comm Badge 
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it." Don't know why OOL switched to BBN...nothing (from what I know) was wrong with the old backbones. |
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fly42
Laranzu
join:2000-10-26
New City, NY
| reply to GeekNJ
Bah, called tech support and got level 1 guy that wouldnt transfer me up to Tech.. He saw pings up to 136ms and wouldnt transfer up to Tech... Never had someone like this before, most of the time they love to get rid of me to tech.
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ | reply to fly42
Seems the issue is with your first hop, which is an OOL route. Maybe OOLTech or Engineer88 or someone else can check into it for ya.
David |
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fly42
Laranzu
join:2000-10-26
New City, NY | reply to GeekNJ
Ya, you never hit bbnet there.. Lemme go grab a Screenshot of my tracert. 
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to Anon
I just ran a tweak test
»monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/blo···a=normal
and my ping times are all under 20ms.
Here's my tracert to dslreports...
C:\>tracert www.dslreports.com
Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.178.0.1
2 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms r1-ge-4-0.wan.prnynj.cv.net [167.206.252.225]
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r2-srp13-0.wan.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.12.116]
4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r1-srp13-0.cr.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.12.97]
5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r2.in.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.12.2]
6 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms iar3-sonet2-1-0-0.NewYorknyr.cw.net [208.173.135
.129]
7 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms iar2-loopback.NewYorknyr.cw.net [206.24.194.24]
8 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms internap-network-services.NewYorknyr.cw.net [208
.173.135.66]
9 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms border11.ge2-0-bbnet1.nyc.pnap.net [209.191.128.
81]
10 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms nac-1.border11.nyc.pnap.net [209.191.130.94]
11 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms a4-0-0-1150.core1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.189]
12 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms vlan1.msfc1.oct.nac.net [207.99.21.35]
13 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
Trace complete.
Maybe hitting nyc.speakeasy.net you're hitting those other providers, but I don't see them hitting www.dslreports.com for the tweak test (assuming it's in the same location as dslreports.com).
David |
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fly42
Laranzu
join:2000-10-26
New City, NY
| reply to Anon
Noticed this too. Just ran a tweak test and my ping average comes out to 87, instead of the nice happy 20-30 i used to have. Just did a tracert.. pings suck right out of the gateway. from 10ms up to 80 in one hop. That is routed to 167.206.253.1
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Laranzu, the last thing ya see before you hit the floor.
[text was edited by author 2001-09-08 20:21:25] |
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Comp6255
join:2001-04-22
Stratford, CT
| reply to Anon
I've noticed the same thing. I keep noticing that BBNPlanet is one of the worst backbone providers. Any server routed thruogh BBNPlanet (for me) around 9 - 11pm, my ping jumps up about 75ms. All the servers routed through BBN are still playable but I'm used to playing with 50ms, not 125ms.
Same thing with icix.net. Though icix isn't as much of a horror story as BBNplanet. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to Anon
Hop IP Address Hostname Time Status
1 10.178.0.1 ? 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
2 167.206.252.225 r1-ge-4-0.wan.prnynj.cv.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
3 167.206.12.116 r2-srp13-0.wan.hcvlny.cv.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
4 167.206.12.100 r2-srp13-0.cr.hcvlny.cv.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
5 167.206.12.2 r2.in.hcvlny.cv.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
6 198.180.44.233 jfk3-core4-pos2-2.atlas.icix.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
7 165.117.48.33 dca6-core4-pos3-0.atlas.icix.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
8 165.117.48.113 dca6-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
9 165.117.48.109 dca6-core2-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
10 204.91.40.77 ? 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
11 4.24.4.117 so-2-1-0.washdc3-nbr1.bbnplanet.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
12 4.24.10.54 p6-0.washdc3-br1.bbnplanet.net 10 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
13 4.0.1.246 p4-0.bstnma1-br2.bbnplanet.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
14 4.24.7.122 p7-0.bstnma1-ba2.bbnplanet.net 20 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
15 4.24.7.193 p0-0-0.hrfrct1-cr1.bbnplanet.net 30 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
16 4.24.184.238 s0.discovernet.bbnplanet.net 30 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
17 216.221.133.241 pos2-0.core1.stm1.discovernet.net 30 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
18 216.221.133.254 fa0-0.aggr1.stm1.discovernet.net 30 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit
19 207.138.188.248 mbi.discovernet.net 30 0:0 Echo Reply
TraceRoute Statistics: 32 data bytes to mbi.discovernet.net [207.138.188.248]
Start Time: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 14:58:45
19 packets transmitted, 19 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 10/18/30
Looks like I'm going through the same servers, but my min/avg/max is much smaller. Why not run a tweak test and check/post the results. Maybe something changed? |
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Anon | Dear OOLTech,
Hello!
Sometime in the past couple of weeks, the routing of my Optonline account has changed radically, and my service has suffered with a big increase in latency to the servers I access frequently. I am writing to ask if something can be done to improve this -- is reprovisioning the line an option with cable? Can I be routed through different nodes? Did OOL change their backbone providers? Can anything be done to help my latency?
Upload and download speeds are still excellent... no problems there... it's just the my hops have increased radically, and that's really hurt my latency (I'm an avid online gamer).
It seems as if the backbone providers Optonline uses has changed. I used to be routed through Sprint a lot, now I see a lot of BusinessInternet and BBN Planet nodes. For example, to my Half Life gaming server co-located in Stamford CT (207.138.188.248), I used to get about 12 hops and 30ms ping -- this makes sense since I live in New Canaan and that's next door to Stamford. Now, in the past 2 weeks, I get 21 hops and 110ms ping -- ack! Here's the traceroute:
NeoTrace Version 3.2 Trace Results
Target: 207.138.188.248
Date: Sat Sep 08 15:45:36 2001
Nodes: 21
Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
1 - - 24.44.209.123 41.152N, 73.495W allen-462ppi8kj
2 1 - 10.184.64.1 Unknown
3 2 1 167.206.254.97 Unknown r1-fe6-0.bb.nrwlct.cv.net
4 3 1 167.206.108.241 New York r2-pos8-0-622m.bb.hcvlny.cv.net
5 4 1 167.206.13.17 New York r1-ge11-0.in.hcvlny.cv.net
6 4 1 167.206.12.2 New York r2.in.hcvlny.cv.net
7 5 2 198.180.44.233 Unknown jfk3-core4-pos2-2.atlas.icix.net
8 6 2 165.117.48.33 Unknown dca6-core4-pos3-0.atlas.icix.net
9 6 2 165.117.48.118 Unknown dca6-core5-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net
10 6 2 165.117.48.105 Unknown dca6-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net
11 6 2 165.117.48.102 Unknown dca6-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net
12 7 - 204.91.40.77 Unknown
13 8 3 4.24.4.117 WASHINGTON D.C. so-2-1-0.washdc3-nbr1.bbnplanet.net
14 8 3 4.24.10.54 WASHINGTON D.C. p6-0.washdc3-br1.bbnplanet.net
15 8 3 4.0.1.246 Boston p4-0.bstnma1-br2.bbnplanet.net
16 8 3 4.24.7.122 Boston p7-0.bstnma1-ba2.bbnplanet.net
17 8 3 4.24.7.193 Unknown p0-0-0.hrfrct1-cr1.bbnplanet.net
18 8 3 4.24.184.238 Unknown s0.discovernet.bbnplanet.net
19 9 4 216.221.133.241 Unknown pos2-0.core1.stm1.discovernet.net
20 9 4 216.221.133.254 Unknown fa0-0.aggr1.stm1.discovernet.net
21 10 4 207.138.188.248 Yonkers mbi.discovernet.net
Packet Data
Node High Low Avg Tot Lost
1 0 0 0 1 0
2 67 8 13 52 0
3 140 69 83 52 0
4 131 70 84 52 0
5 150 65 85 52 0
6 112 66 84 52 0
7 126 65 85 52 0
8 99 72 89 53 1
9 112 75 91 52 0
10 107 73 88 52 0
11 113 74 88 52 0
12 114 71 88 52 0
13 108 74 89 52 0
14 120 73 89 53 1
15 128 80 93 52 0
16 119 79 94 52 0
17 165 77 101 52 0
18 139 80 101 52 0
19 115 78 100 53 1
20 495 79 120 52 0
21 113 79 98 52 0
These are the offending, new nodes (previously was routed via Sprint or UUNet):
Network id#: 5
Business Internet, Inc. (NET-ICIX-MD-BLK3)
3625 Queen Palm Drive
Tampa, FL 33619
US
Network id#: 8
BBN Planet (NET-SATNET)
150 Cambridge Park Dr.
Cambridge, MA 02138
US
This is just an example... it seems most of my traceroutes to servers on east coast and midwest now go Cablevision --> BusinessInternet --> backbone server sits on (example ATT) --> server. The overall result is a lot a higher latency for me.
Any info, and advice is much appreciated!
-Allen |
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