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Just The Facts

@bls.com

reply to jwsmiths4
Re: Iunno

The RIAA and MPAA have NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER FILED A CASE OVER DOWNLOADING music or movies. They are filing against people offering/serving/allowing downloads. They have all the evidence neccessary to prove the transaction. It is the RIAA that is downloading the copyrighted material. They have the IP of the account serving the material, a time/date stamp of the transfer (to the RIAA), and the complete file. The only thing they can't prove is the actual person who allowed the serving. They do have the account owner and they are legally responsible for want is on/served from their computer so it is usually a slam dunk.

Cyron

join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC

While they may have the complete file, they didn't download any of the file from the person being sued. They're matching the hash from a verified source and then just look to see if you have a file with the same hash.

For P2P networks that don't hash files, they're just looking at the name of the file being shared.

This came up last year when a woman in California tried to argue that since they didn't download the file from her, she technically was not distributing copyright material (only offering to distribute). I never heard what happened with that case, so she must have settled.


Just The Facts

@bls.com

said by Cyron See Profile:

While they may have the complete file, they didn't download any of the file from the person being sued. They're matching the hash from a verified source and then just look to see if you have a file with the same hash.

For P2P networks that don't hash files, they're just looking at the name of the file being shared.

Not any more. They actually download the file as proof. She probably settled because she was going to lose that argument.

taar

join:2000-11-21
·Charter Pipeline

reply to Just The Facts
said by Just The Facts:

The RIAA and MPAA have NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER FILED A CASE OVER DOWNLOADING music or movies. They are filing against people offering/serving/allowing downloads. They have all the evidence neccessary to prove the transaction. It is the RIAA that is downloading the copyrighted material. They have the IP of the account serving the material, a time/date stamp of the transfer (to the RIAA), and the complete file. The only thing they can't prove is the actual person who allowed the serving. They do have the account owner and they are legally responsible for want is on/served from their computer so it is usually a slam dunk.

But if i remember correctly, there is no way to completely stop sharing with these file sharing programs. You can limit your upload to 1K with readily available software but there is still a trickle from your computer going out. Therefore, potentially, everyone can be sued because uploads cannot be stopped. Someone correct me if i am wrong.


SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

You can stop uploading by moving the files from the default download folder of the program into something else. Most P2P programs give you the option of picking which drives, folders, files you want shared to the world. The program also creates its own folder to store the files you downloaded. While you can tell the program not to share any of your own files or folders it will always share what you download. So all you need to do is move the files from that download folder.

It's a little chore, but if you want to just download and not share anything that's the way to do it.

taar

join:2000-11-21
·Charter Pipeline

said by SRFireside See Profile:

You can stop uploading by moving the files from the default download folder of the program into something else. Most P2P programs give you the option of picking which drives, folders, files you want shared to the world. The program also creates its own folder to store the files you downloaded. While you can tell the program not to share any of your own files or folders it will always share what you download. So all you need to do is move the files from that download folder.

It's a little chore, but if you want to just download and not share anything that's the way to do it.
So technically i am correct. No matter what files you move around, you have no choice but to, at the very least, share what you are currently downloading. Therefore, since all downloaders are also temporary uploaders, RIAA could sue everyone.


SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
Not if you move the files you just downloaded off that folder. If they are not in that folder they are not automatically shared.

taar

join:2000-11-21
·Charter Pipeline

said by SRFireside See Profile:

Not if you move the files you just downloaded off that folder. If they are not in that folder they are not automatically shared.
Ok. I am not trying to argue or prove you wrong. I am just trying to understand this thing better. You cant move the currently downloading file while its downloading. Therefore, you have no choice but to upload and share.


SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Now I see where you're coming from. Sorry about that. I'm not sure what P2P programs allow uploading of a file being downloaded besides Bit Torrents. I'm guessing your chances of getting caught would be rare in these instances since the window of exposure is only as long as it takes to download the file.
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