puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON
| Rogers admits to traffic shaping???
»www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/···?t=29332
This article in the Star claims that Rogers doesn't hide the fact that it gives priority to email, http, IM, and its own DPS on its network. Spokeswoman Taanta Gupta claims that "music and video" are at the bottom of the list. "We're talking about delay of minutes, not hours".
Excuse me but I'm seeing days... Why don't they put that in their ads? |
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andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
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| said by puzz1ed  :Excuse me but I'm seeing days... Why don't they put that in their ads? Putting "We limit what you can download" isnt a very good seller. |
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puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON | Sorry I thought my sarcasm was obvious.;) |
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pulp39
Premium
join:2003-01-28
Ottawa, ON
4 edits | GREAT find there puzz1ed! I just want to add a great big "SO THERE!", to all the nay sayers who didn't believe me when I first nailed TED with throttling.  I got a lot of heat for standing by that statement and it blows me away people didn't think Ted would do that....after all he has done over the years. 
Funny part "delay of minutes" Sure..okay... try 5760 minutes for my last torrent until yesterday ya d-ohnut! LMFFAO!
Ahhhhh... indulge me, that feels much bettah, tanx. 
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"Rogers needs to buy the CN Tower and call it Rogers Tower. This way, TED can shoot laser beams out his ass to our modems when we go over 60 Gigs." - MoeB -
LMFFAO!!! |
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primal98
join:2004-08-27 | reply to puzz1ed
And you know what sucks even more? Lots more legit uses for it are also coming out, ADV apparently will distribute anime through it, and it makes getting actual demos soooooooooo much easier....and can I? Nope my ISP throttles :/
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will98
@cable.rogers
| I'm pretty sure if bit torrent became much more legit they would ease off but we all know many use it for illegal activites. Of course Rogers has no say in what we do with our connection but if it involves 1000's or tens of thousdans of users uploading via BT 24/7 then they need to control the problem. Not throw millions more in bandwidth capacity which will get chewed up quickly. And increase the cost we pay.
Traffic Shapping is a relality and more and more isp's will start doing it to control costs. |
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B0000rt
join:2003-05-14
Scarborough, ON | reply to puzz1ed
Aslong as traffic going outta port 119 is not shaped, I'm happy  |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
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| reply to will98
said by will98 :
Of course Rogers has no say in what we do with our connection but if it involves 1000's or tens of thousdans of users uploading via BT 24/7 then they need to control the problem. Not throw millions more in bandwidth capacity which will get chewed up quickly.
Unfortunatly they did have a say.they said you cant this/that fast anymore.As far as bandwidth goes thats not the problem(Its cheaper than ever).The problem is overloading lines/nodes(?) that were not built to handle that many households.So now you have say a local point that was built for 200 houses max(just example) pushing out to 400/500 houses.there is the problem.they need to upgrade and ted got caught up in buying ball teams and stadiums and forgot his cable network needed money too |
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MacGyver
Bell Sucks
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Orleans, ON
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1 edit | said by andyb :The problem is overloading lines/nodes(?) that were not built to handle that many households.So now you have say a local point that was built for 200 houses max(just example) pushing out to 400/500 houses. Not only that, but the way the current network is built, it was never designed to handle anything but browsing and casual downloading. Nobody ever foresaw what the internet is being used for today. Plus ISP's typically use a ratio in determining how many customers will be online at once. As more and more people get broadband (ISP's keeps advertising) this ratio gets closer to 1:1.
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pulp39
Premium
join:2003-01-28
Ottawa, ON
1 edit | reply to will98
said by will98 :
uploading via BT 24/7 then they need to control the problem. Traffic Shapping is a relality and more and more isp's will start doing it to control costs.
Ted is too aggressive with the throttling. Come on, people are getting 2kB's and some reports here saying it's so bad, torrenting has been rendered virtually useless.
That's unacceptable!
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"Rogers needs to buy the CN Tower and call it Rogers Tower. This way, TED can shoot laser beams out his ass to our modems when we go over 60 Gigs." - MoeB -
LMFFAO!!! |
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Syxx
@chsltd.com | reply to puzz1ed
I was reading the article and they talked about a "negative-option billing fiasco that happened nearly a decade ago" that Rogers was a part of? What are they talking about? |
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | What Shaw is doing is exactly what I predicted will happen with Rogers and the P-Cube service engines. Pay for the kinds of things you want to do on the net. |
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baystboi
@cable.rogers
| reply to Syxx
Negative option billing was when Rogers (along with several other cable companies) would add new channels / tiers to their service and they would automatically assume you wanted them (therefore increasing your bill) without asking your permission first.
To avoid paying the increased costs, you would have to actively go out of your way to call them and say you didn't want the new services. Hence the "negative option". |
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darrylr
join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON | reply to sbrook
And I believe that is the kind of world we are moving toward - pay for what you use. I don't think there is much wrong with that as long as the prices are reasonable.
-Darryl |
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puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON
| Hard to argue with pay for what you use but I've been paying and not getting the same advertised service as most others for quite a while now. Rogers has been hiding what they're doing despite what the article might say. Unfortunately, Rogers' response to this would seem to be okay we'll throttle everyone unless you pay more.
To me this article is just Rogers trying to let people down easy by saying, "Everyone does it. Come on. Didn't you know? You should have. How silly of you." |
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pulp39
Premium
join:2003-01-28
Ottawa, ON
3 edits | said by puzz1ed :To me this article is just Rogers trying to let people down easy by saying, "Everyone does it. Come on. Didn't you know? You should have. How silly of you." OMG!!! This implies I was sounding just like TED when I nailed him last year for throttling and nobody believed me. Oh the shame! {edited for content}
D_OH!!!
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"Rogers needs to buy the CN Tower and call it Rogers Tower. This way, TED can shoot laser beams out his ass to our modems when we go over 60 Gigs." - MoeB -
LMFFAO!!! |
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lineb
@cable.rogers | reply to puzz1ed
pulp,puzzled ( or anybody) Could you explain why torrent downloads of Linux os are perfect with max download speed? |
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puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON
| Fedora, for example, is seeded not only by end users but many fast sites like universities. Think of all the sites that used to just offer this stuff by FTP. (I can ftp Fedora from ftp.telus.net at 500KB/s.) Now they offer files via BT as well and don't expect anything in return. Rogers seems to be throttling BT upstream. These sites don't require any upstream data from you in return for their files.
Next time you downloaded a Linux ISO at high speed, you'll probably find that there are one or two seeders that are feeding you very quickly.
The article also claims that they can look at what file you're transferring. Maybe they're letting Linux ISOs by. Maybe. Maybe not. |
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