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rtielking
join:2005-09-03
Chesterfield, MO

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[SunRocket] Sunrocket Gizmo Setup Info

The following is how I set up my Sunrocket gizmo for my home network. I hope that it helps others save some time.

I have the following network: a cable modem -> router -> two computers as well as WAN port of gizmo. I did not want to put the gizmo between the modem and the router for several reasons. I run a mail server and a web server on one of my computers and didn't want to rely on the gizmo to pass that traffic.

I think that the key to reliability in this configuration is to avoid making ANY changes to the default gizmo settings. That is because when an automatic gizmo firmware upgrade occurs, any changes you make may be wiped out.

The second key point is to configure the router to port forward to the gizmo the following: 68, 5060, and 16384-16403. I am currently forwarding both TCP and UDP.

By default, the gizmo will use DHCP to get its IP. But I need to configure my router with static IP info to get the port forwarding to work. My solution was to assign static IPs to my two computers (192.168.251.101 and 192.168.251.110). The first IP which my router will dynamically assign is 192.168.251.111. Since the gizmo is the only device on my network which uses DHCP, it will be assigned 192.168.251.111. Having the router port forward to 192.168.251.111 for the gizmo is pretty safe.

The default gizmo LAN port IP is 192.168.100.1 which is on a different subnet than my home network. If I need to get the admin page for the gizmo (which is almost never), I will plug a network cable from my work laptop to the LAN port and boot the laptop. Then point the browser to »192.168.100.1. The default password is "welcome".

The power up sequence I use is to turn the modem, router, and gizmo off and leave off for 1 minute. Then I power up the modem, router, and gizmo with a 1 minute pause between each. You need to do all of your router configuration first. You are looking for the "Voice" light on the gizmo to turn on before you can use the phone. It can take a few minutes for the "Voice" light to turn on after you power up the gizmo.

Lastly, here are some useful gizmo commands which you can send from the phone which is plugged into the gizmo. You can only do these commands during the first 10 minutes after you power up the gizmo.
1. to restore defaults - ##3332858 ( D,E,F,A,U,L,T ). You will hear "Dot" spoken and the "Management" light will turn on. After a few seconds, the gizmo will automatically reboot.
2. to hear the WAN IP - ##47926 ( I,P,W,A,N ).
3. to hear the LAN IP - ##472337 ( I,P,A,D,D,R ).
You can only use these commands if the "Voice" light is on. If you get a busy signal, remember that the commands only work during the first 10 minutes after a reboot of the gizmo. Its easy to forget that.

Hope this helps.

PJIV
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Niagara Falls, NY

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I don't know of any Cable provider that allows running a WEB SERVER, and or Mail Server from your home PC, you are of course breaking your TOS with your ISP.

There is nothing wrong with your set up that I can tell. You should have no troubles. If you change any settings they will not be wiped out by a simple firmware upgrade.
NML
join:2001-12-21
Saint Petersburg, FL

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PJIV, I think most of the cable providers have lifted the ban on web servers and such. Port 80, 110, and 25 are no longer being blocked by my ISP and it has been this way for years. I have a POP/SMTP mail server running on one of my PCs with a web front end. I had to put the Gizmo behind my router so everything would continue to work. So far so good.

I didn't even need to forward any ports and I have other SIP devices on my network one with FWD, StanaPhone, and SR. All seem to work well together.

PJIV
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This is NOT the case in my area, check your TOS, just because it's not blocked (mine isn't) doesn't mean it's not against the TOS.
thestooge1
join:2003-02-19
Plano, TX

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What? What? No offense but it seems as if the 8 year old hall monitor just told some other kid to stop running in the hall.

#1. Verizon has several business accounts for both DSL and fiber that allow Webservers.
#2. Comcast is beginning to lift that restriction because they realize as most others do that it is ridiculous.

#3. Why would you feel the need to point that out when he is trying to help?

Hmm... I guess I just don't understand...
mp4037
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Does anyone know if you set the gizmo up with the DMZ...would that work? If so how to set the LAN ip for the Gizmo.

For instance, on my befsr41 the host Ip adress is 192.168.1.XXX with the ability to only change where the XXX's are.

The Gizmo's Ip is 192.168.251.XXX with the ability to change where the XXX's are. How to configure this to work? Any ideas?

Presently I have my set-up as follows Modem-->Gizmo-->Router-->PC's

I would like to put the Gizmo behind the router and am looking for an alternative to the above post. I noticed a big drop in bandwidth as well with the gizmo out in front of the router.

I have tried just plugging the gizmo into my last port on my router but I don't get a phone light. Is the cable supposed to be plugged into the WAN or LAN port on the back of the gizmo when plugging into the LAN port on the router?

Also, when set-up as follows modem-->router-->gizmo, i'm no longer able to access th gizmo set-up page. I'm only able to access the gizmo set-up page when the set-up is as follows: modem-->gizmo-->router. Any ideas?

Mp

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Portsmouth, NH

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Using a BEFSR41, Try this:
Connect your router to your modem and get a connection.
Connect the wan of the gizmo to the uplink of the router. You should get a voice light. If you don't;
Make sure that the gizmo isn't set up for poet.
Disconnect the cat5's from port 1 and 4 of your router and reboot the router. The uplink port shares one of those ports and I'm not sure which one. You will have to figure that out.

Accessing the gizmo in this config;
connect your computer to the lan port of the gizmo and reboot the computer. Go to 192.168.251.1 and you should be able to connect.
You also may be able to connect to the gizmo through the router if you know the ip address that the router assigned the gizmo and your gizmo is set to allow wan access.

Good Luck and Happy New Years!
email4tong
join:2006-02-01
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Some of you have indicated that when you have a web server, you will have to put gizmo behind the router. That may not be a good idea when you need to make sure that your phone line always has a higher priority on bandwidth. So you can still have the SunRocket suggested layout like Modem -> Gizom -> Router, but also have your web server up runing. the only thing you have to do is to forward port 80 from gizom to the router, the your router will forward port 80 to the computer which hosts your web server. This way, you will have guaranteed bandwidth for your phone and still allow outside users to access your http server.
Skyhawk85u
join:2006-01-17
Marlborough, MA

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Uhhhh, no, not really. But this thread is a month old anyway, so why bring it back?
IrishHunter
join:2006-02-02
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Just started using Sunrocket, and I have a moderately complicated home network, so I thought I'd share my experience, after perusing this thread for insight. I get Comcast Broadband in Northern Colorado, and average about 2.5 mbps - seems like everyone in my neighborhood is on it, hence (perhaps) the slower download speeds than many experience. I installed the gizmo as instructed, and immediately had download speeds drop into the 750 kbps range with it just sitting there. Use the phone, and the net drops to a crawl, getting timeout errors all over. I coincidentally swapped out my trusty Linksys BESF4R1 router that was being used as a switch, and put in a dedicated Netgear GS108 gigabit 8 port switch, and at the same time, decided to try just connecting the gizmo directly to the switch instead. And... it works. Amazingly, it didn't need any firmware level changes, I just plugged the Gizmo WAN port into an empty LAN port on the switch. Internet runs about 2.0 to 2.2 mbps when not using the phone, and 1.8 while using the phone. So, to sum up...
Modem --> Buffalo WirelessG Router (provides wired/wireless DHCP) --> Netgear switch --> Gizmo and a bunch of other PC's, and Tivo in the house. PS - The old Linksys gives me the same result when used in place of the netgear switch. So far, I'm pleased with Sunrocket's service. Hope that helps.
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Thought I would throw in my .02 on this one too. I did a bunch of reading of these posts before signing up for Sunrocket, and was pretty worried about losing speed, not being able to forward ports, AND having good Quality of Service. I was ready to go and get a router with QOS if the Sunrocket gizmo didn't work properly.

However, after a couple of tests, I am pretty pleased with the results.

I setup as follows: cable modem=>gizmo=>router=>pc's

I have the gizmo doing DHCP, (but I only have 1 ip address in the DHCP pool, so I know what this address will be) which the router picks up. The router then does DHCP for my network.

I setup the QOS settings on the gizmo - 300kbps up and 5000 down ( just under my speeds with comcast) Voice quality is good, and i get nearly all my bandwidth. On uploads, I lose just a bit as there is not as much to play with. I tested on DSL reports, and have not lost any download speed at all.

Lastly, I set the gizmo to point to a DMZ, and made the DMZ the IP address of my router - this solves the problem of the extra-lame port forwarding options in the gizmo. ALL ports are passed to router, which in turn does the regular port forwarding to my PC's.

Hope someone finds that useful.


KayakinMike
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join:2006-02-22
Alameda, CA

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Does this setting make your router vulnerable at all? With the router being DMZ'd?
ericandtammy
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This is exactly how I have my gizmo setup, but I had the various ports forwarded. With your info, I set the DMZ to my router. Thanks for the info!
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No, that's the normal way things work - the router is usually the first thing on your network, after your modem. (I am assuming that you have a router/firewall/inet gateway type device - not just a plain old router) For example, a linksys WRT54G, or something similiar is the kind of router I am assuming you have.

Does that make sense? Let's say you didn't have VOIP, you would have plugged your modem into your router. By DMZing the router behind the Gizmo, you are effectively just restoring the normal setup.

hope that helps.

KayakinMike
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Exactly what I have; WRT54G, behind the VoIP adapter (SR Innomedia).
My understanding of DMZing might be what I'm lacking. I thought that when you used the DMZ, that it opened up what you've DMZed to outside your network; without the protection of the firewall. I think I just don't understand the DMZ.
In any event, I'm really just trying to learn. I don't really have any problems with my VoIP or speed right now; I just wanted to be ahead of any problems (just got my VoIP about a week or so ago).
Thanks for the tips. Mike
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No, your understanding of the DMZ is correct, but the WRT54G is meant to be a device that is exposed to the internet. It has firewalling and port forwarding features. The thing that would be bad would be to DMZ your actual computer - then the computer would be exposed to the internet directly. As long as you don't disable the firewall on your WRT54G, it is perfectly acceptable to have it DMZ'd from the standpoint of the Gizmo.

Hope that helps some more.

KayakinMike
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It does help. Thank you. I set my QoS on the gizmo, and DMZ'd the router from the gizmo.
Do you know if I need to set the QoS on the router too? Or is that redundant?
Thanks, Mike
sckvonuser
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If your config is cable modem->gizmo->router->pc's, then it is redundant - the QOS settings on the router would be used if you put the Gizmo *BEHIND* the router. Actually, you could set it up that way, I would sort of reccomend it, as then if SR does something funny, or the Gizmo gets whacked, you don't lose your internet connection. (which i've had happen)

Note that if you swap the order to:
Cable Modem->router->gizmo+pc's then you want to make the gizmo in the DMZ from the router so that it can access SR's servers.

Check the install notes from SR, they describe setting the gizmo up this way. I would have done the same, but my router does not have QOS, so I put the Gizmo in front and let it do the QOS (there's a slight chance that the gizmo's QOS will work better than the WRT54G's QOS, but that's really just a suspicion, so i wouldn't take it to the bank)

good luck.

DonChino
join:2005-01-18
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I SECOND THAT MOTION...

We ALL have SERVER set-ups in our basements. I thought that was the COOL THING all us geeks HAD TO DO in order to qualify as specialists on these boards.

Anyway, I have been running servers for 2 years now and I never got a call or letter from Comcast but I also DO NOT run Kazaa, eDonkey, or other P2P servers. It is basically a SMALL set-up to launch some personal projects and do "testing" off-site since I cannot do so at work. Helps me keep UP-TO-DATE with regards to my technical skills and also allows me to experiment with a POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL venture later on.

Isn't America great?! You could NOT even DREAM to do this in most countries outside the USA since everything is CAPPED and MONITORED. I tried to launch an ISP in South America and it is just GRUELING how much paperwork you have to file, how many bribes you have to pay, and on top of that the COST for a basic DSL line which comes NOWHERE near cable speeds here... SMALL BUSINESSES are the lifeblood of the USA and people who NARC on users who set up servers in their homes are just UNAMERICAN...

The TOS is just designed to guarante the provider to protect itself from litigation and throw you OFF their service if there are problems. MAKE NO PROBLEMS, NO TOS ENFORCEMENT...


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I'm going to give that a try. I always wondered why everyone wanted to have their gizmo behind their routers. Makes perfect sense. Thanks, Mike

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I have had trouble with streaming video and a few other services since installing the Gizmo. It sounds like setting the Gizmo DMZ to point to the router might solve this problem. Don't laugh but I want to get the AOL IN2TV thing working and the Gizmo screws it up. A normal direct router connection works okay. Anything you guys have to say will be helpful. Thanks. Sunrocket tech support says to call my computer manufacturer -- that would be me.