georgequ
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|  Caller ID unblocking ?
I have caller ID blocking on my phone (SBC) for which I have to pay a monthly fee.
The way I understand how this works is, is that the caller ID info is send out between the first and the second ring. During this interval the "caller" is temporarily disconnected from my line so the info cannot be send. (please correct me if I am wrong)
Here is the problem, several companies, whom I regularly call are able to defeat this blocking service somehow.
Examples: Pizza Hut, Domino's, Block Buster Video rental service, Dish One-up Network to name a few.
When I complained to SBC about this, after all I am paying them for the desired privacy, they stated that this was not possible, no way, no how, no sir. That cannot be done.
The company's involved are not talking.
To me this is a highly unethical practice, on the part of SBC, if they are allowing this, or worse providing the service to these companies, then they are charging me for a service, and are not giving me what I pay for the blocking of my phone number. If it is the companies involved then they are doing something, that to put it mildly stinks 
Anyone know how to get to the bottom of this?
Mods: If there is a better forum for this question, please move.
George.
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Hayward
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4 edits | Stop paying for nothing and be done with it or sue them for breach of contract.
Then again you don't have to tell PH and Dominoes where to deliver to 
Another way around that (but also not foolproff) my book listing is name only.... no adress.... and at least that's free vs unlisted. (which also doesn't always work) |
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BurntCricket
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You pay for caller ID block ?? This is news to me.
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Hayward
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Key West, FL | As a blanket thing vs per call * prefix probably.
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kw
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I always use *67. |
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Hayward
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Jon
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May or may not apply, but I found this.
»[SunRocket] Major Privacy Problem!
When does blocking not work?
800,888 and 900 numbers. When you call an 800, 888 or 900 number, blocking does not work. Your number will be transmitted to the called party, and can be captured and displayed using a technology called Automatic Number Identification (ANI). For example, many mail order companies with 800 numbers link their incoming phone service to a computer data base of all customers' account information. When their phone rings, the data base automatically retrieves customer information. Federal regulations place restrictions on the use and sale of your phone number when you call an 800, 888 or 900 number. (47 CFR 64.1602) Your consent is required if your phone number is reused or sold for purposes unrelated to your original call, for example marketing purposes. |
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georgequ
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Thanks for all your answers.
All the companies I mentioned do indeed have a 1-8xx numbers. Which as I do now know, are not being blocked. This explains it all. Seems to me though that SBC could have told me this when I inquired about it. If it was not for the good DSL I have, average 4950/478, I drop them in a second.
Have to see if I can figure out a way to disable it from my end.
Once again, thanks for the replies and the info. George.
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BlitzenZeus
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| Catch this catch22.... More BS!
If you block people from calling you from a private number, these numbers can still call you, and show up as unknown. We block private numbers, and if we see unknown come up we NEVER answer the phone. If they don't want to give us their number, I have no reason to talk to them.
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RockyBB
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said by georgequ  :Have to see if I can figure out a way to disable it from my end. you can't disable it from your end. when you make a call info about you travels from your local phone company to the distant end...the important stuff for this topic is that your residential phone number is contained in two data fields: the ANI (automatic number identifier) and the Caller ID. You pay to block the caller ID. Normally, when one dials someone's regular phone number, the distant phone company reads the caller ID info, then queries a system database (google on "LIDB") to get the name, then sends that info to the caller that pays for incoming caller ID. When your outgoing Caller ID number is blank, then the distant phone company shows "unavailable" or "private" and thus can't lookup any name. The ANI is used in toll-free service...the 800 long distance carrier bills the recipient of the calls, and the carrier must know where the call is coming from so it can be billed properly (in-state, out-of-state, RBOC/independent, etc). With portability, all 10 digits of the number are meaningful for billing purposes to the customer of the 800 number. Your phone number will show up on their paper bill (itemized, as a justification of the charges), and will show up in display units in agents' phones or on computer screens (name info is not provided by the 800 number carrier, only number...if they know your name it's their own processors that are matching your number to records they already have on you).
If you want to continue to call these companies, but not have them know who you are until you tell them, then don't call their 800 numbers. |
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georgequ
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said by BlitzenZeus :Catch this catch22.... More BS! If you block people from calling you from a private number, these numbers can still call you, and show up as unknown. We block private numbers, and if we see unknown come up we NEVER answer the phone. If they don't want to give us their number, I have no reason to talk to them. You have it backwards, I have NO intention to block anyone from calling my house.
Before the do not call list came along, we were inundated with telemarketer people calling at all odd hours of the day. At that point in time, an unlisted number and caller ID blocking helped solve some of this problem, I have no intention of changing that now.
Also I have private reasons for having my own number blocked.
It just burned me up that I was paying SBC for a service that basically does not exists. Because the people called are able to negate the blocking service.
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BlitzenZeus
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Beaverton, OR | Was I talking about making calls, no, I was talking about how these same numbers can bypass any call blocking we have in place. |
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87134275
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All this really infuriates me when I currently have this idiot calling me at every other hour and hanging up with a blocked number, I have called the phone company and they told me "get the number and call us back and we'll do something about it". When I informed the incompetents that the reason I called them was because I couldn't get his/her number they said "Well, we can't do nothing about it without an ID'd phone number from the person harassing you" 
Can you believe the galls of these people? |
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georgequ
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koolman2
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Anchorage, AK | reply to BlitzenZeus
"Unknown" a lot of times is an out-of-state call that uses a different protocol of caller ID than your telco.
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Maarvin
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If you don't want caller id you can:
1. remove all the caller id boxes,
2. turn off the CWCID function on your phones,
3. tell SBC when your next bill is due "payment? this is not possible, no way, no how, no sir. That cannot be done."
Normally you pay FOR caller id and don't receive it if you don't. I've never heard and can't imagine anyone paying NOT to get caller id. Mr. Georgequ! I do believe you are pulling our legs!
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georgequ
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4 edits | said by Maarvin :If you don't want caller id you can: 1. remove all the caller id boxes, 2. turn off the CWCID function on your phones, 3. tell SBC when your next bill is due "payment? this is not possible, no way, no how, no sir. That cannot be done." Normally you pay FOR caller id and don't receive it if you don't. I've never heard and can't imagine anyone paying NOT to get caller id. Mr. Georgequ! I do believe you are pulling our legs! No Sir, read the whole tread wrong. I DO want and have caller ID I have it on every phone in my house.
And yes I gladly pay for it, I have caller ID name also and gladly pay for that also.I am also paying believe it or not to have an unlisted number.
And that is my point, some people and/or organizations I call can see my name and number on THEIR caller ID.
I am paying SBC to keep my name and number private, they are not living up to their promises in failing to tell me that this service does not work with 1-8xx and 1-9xx numbers and also certain other companies that are able to bypass the blocking service. The local Pizza Hut and Blockbuster store do not have a 1-800 number, but they know it's me calling even answer me using my first name. Therefore my question was: What the **** am I paying SBC for?"
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funchords
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3 edits | Hi George,
They are not bypassing CallerID. Caller ID and ANI are two different things.
ANI (Automatic Number Identification) is much older than Caller ID and works very differently. E911, for example, uses ANI, as does 1-8nn and 1-900, 411, 611 (if you have that in your area), and O-Operator. ANI only reports the calling number, so if businesses are getting your address/name info, it's from a different cross-referenced database (such as their own records or a rented one from the telco), but that database is not part of CallerID or ANI. 911 uses ANI to obtain the phone number, and if it's E911, it then does a lookup on the telco's database.
The datapacket between the first/second ring or the one sent with a Call Waiting beep -- that's all about Caller ID. The number part of ANI happens before the phone starts ringing.
You can't opt out of ANI, for obvious reasons.
Hope that helps.
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funchords
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said by 87134275 :All this really infuriates me when I currently have this idiot calling me at every other hour and hanging up with a blocked number, I have called the phone company and they told me "get the number and call us back and we'll do something about it". When I informed the incompetents that the reason I called them was because I couldn't get his/her number they said "Well, we can't do nothing about it without an ID'd phone number from the person harassing you" Can you believe the galls of these people? Call your telco and ask them about the following.
For more than 20 years, modern telephone switches have been able to do customer-ordered Call Tracing.
I'm not sure if a fee is charged.
After receiving such a phone call, hang up, get a new dial-tone, and type a code (usually *57 or 1157). This prints out a record of the most recent call, which is available to investigators. You then provide the date and time of the incident to the investigator (either the phone company or law enforcement agency) and they can obtain that record.
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RockyBB
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how did Pizza Hut and Blockbuster know his phone number if georgequ was dialing a local number and he has outgoing caller ID blocking? |
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