Yatti4209
join:2006-02-02
Waterloo, ON | reply to PiedPiper1
Re: [ Extreme] Rogers e-mail, infringing copyright
Dont reply to that email, I think piedpiper meant 1720. |
|
HughR
join:2005-12-03
| reply to root9
Warning: I Am Not A Lawyer.
said by root9  :...ever since Fishnet [start of Internet as we know it]. What was Fishnet? I don't remember it. Neither does Google nor does wikipedia.
Anyway: To test your claims I installed the thing ...
Experiments are good things. An added dose of facts is useful.
Visual servers verify reg. code and then automatically send email if correct licensed copy is not found.
Rogers gets it and in their infinite wisdom shoot off email to you / me.
As far as I can see, Rogers is not participating in any possible copyright violation, so this is none of Rogers' business. I presume that Rogers' crude mechanism cannot discern this, but it is likely significant.
Visualroute is registered in USA but not in Canada, that I have been able to find.
Registered for what? Copyright registration is not required under the Berne convention. Canada and the US recognize each others copyrights as signatories to Berne.
As a final note: software should be no more than $5 to $15 for OS or major application. All smaller and add-on software should be less. Anything above that is a rip-off.
Surely the vendor gets to set the offer price. The customer gets to accept the offer or not.
Switch to linux, it has all the toys and better for free  |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to uncomn_cents
And that law has just gotten delayed. |
|
uncomn_cents
@cable.rogers
| reply to Wheemer
Perhaps this article will shed some light on this.
»www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s···NewsAt11
The way I read the warning email, they do not say you are in violation of their EUA. They simply state infringing copyright violates the EUA and what they can do if they find you are in violation.
They also say to contact the original sender of the complaint. Translation. "Don't reply to us how your sharing of whatever was found does not infringe on copyright. Tell the complainant."
This sounds like a notice and notice regime to me. Unless someone has been kicked off for copyright infringment (noone I know) |
|
FishPants
The Art Of Pants
Premium
join:2001-11-19
Canada Eh?
| reply to PuZo10
Anyone with time on their hands could stick it to the company doing this. Get the IP Ranges for major ISPs (Bell, Rogers and so on) then set up a packet generator that would include a new IP address on every single packet (since it seems the source IP is actually part of the transmission). Once Rogers/Bell etc receives 60,000 of these messages they will simply deep-six them and ignore visual route.
If only I had more time on my hands!
--
Hail to the Nipple-Titan. |
|
root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
| reply to darrylr
Hello ppl,
First let me tell you that I’m a Network & Systems Analyst and been on Internet ever since Fishnet [start of Internet as we know it]. All this experience must be worth something .. lol.
Anyway: To test your claims I installed the thing and I received same kind of emails from Rogers about Visualroute, all 3 of them.
First of all; Visualroute reports home first to be able to use the software per each start. I checked with packet sniffer.
Visual servers verify reg. code and then automatically send email if correct licensed copy is not found.
Rogers gets it and in their infinite wisdom shoot off email to you / me.
Visualroute is registered in USA but not in Canada, that I have been able to find. [keep this in mind for later].
Rogers thinks now and since it amalgamated with [sold out to] Yahoo, Homestead, Gygablast and others that it can do anything it pleases.
Most of their EUA is bull and most likely illegal. Still fighting them on this one .. lol
Now that we got that out of the way;
Visualroute has been pilfering people for cash in the worst way for last few yrs. Since they don’t hold an International copyright they have no leg to stand on outside the USA! Remember this since it’s very important for other software as well.
Visualroute has no option but to let you / me keep on using it since the cost of stopping you / me is much higher than they can afford to prosecute. Ever try to get blood out of a rock?
Rogers can and will cut your / my services if you / I continue to use Visualroute. Been there done that .. get it? So will Sympatico, Telus, Sprint and others. It’s better to go with a small ISP anyway.
In reality if you can find a way to stop Visualroute from reporting then go nuts, and send me a copy just to piss Visualroute coder off! You have my support because of way owner of Visualroute charges way too much for not so good software and which reports privacy settings to their server.
Just for reference: And if owner of Visual route reads this ,, be my guest ,, I’ll sue your ass for gathering private data in your home state! I started to receive massive Spam from your contact. Check your laws .. I did.
I’m looking for a much better software or will ask friends to code it so it finds Spammer’s / Intruder’s home address, not just ISP and node info. Might just post Visualroute owner’s info on all channels if he doesn’t change his tune.
As a final note: software should be no more than $5 to $15 for OS or major application. All smaller and add-on software should be less. Anything above that is a rip-off. Remind Microsoft of that every chance you get.
Switch to linux, it has all the toys and better for free |
|
darrylr
join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON
| reply to Wheemer
quote:
Any advice or thoughts on this would be great.
A couple of choices...
1) Ignore the email since they can't touch you under the current laws in Canada. The only thing that could ever happen is Rogers may cancel your service if you get enough of these but I don't know of anyone who has had this happen to them.
2) Stop sharing copyrighted material and you will not see any more emails like this one.
-Darryl |
|
Wheemer
@cable.rogers
| reply to PuZo10
I just received an email similar to this. I was running Shareaza yesturday and one of my shared files was a Microsoft product. This is the program that was mentioned in the email.
There is no chance it was calling home or anything. Here's a copy of the email:
quote:
Dear Mr XXX
Rogers Cable (Rogers) has received a notice stating that activities associated with your IP address are infringing copyright in material(s) owned or exclusively licensed by others.
The relevant portions of the notice are appended to this e-mail.
Under the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet End User Agreement (EUA) and Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), you are prohibited from using the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service to engage in illegal activities, including activities that infringe copyright. Copies of our EUA and AUP are available at:
»help.yahoo.com/rogers
Where there has been a violation of our EUA and/or AUP, including the unauthorized distribution of copyright-protected material, Rogers has the right to take appropriate action against you.
If you have any questions about the attached copyright notice, please contact the sender of the notice using the contact information provided in the notice. Please do not reply to this e-mail.
We trust you will comply with our policies and all applicable laws in using the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service.
Sincerely,
EUA Management Team
Rogers Yahoo Hi-Speed Internet
»na.edit.client.yahoo.com/rogers/···rm=terms
00266865
ss Software Alliance (BSA) and The Canadian Alliance Against Soft=
ware Theft (CAAST) has determined that the connection listed below, which a=
ppears to be using an Internet account under your control, is using a Gnute=
lla network to offer unlicensed copies of copyrighted computer programs pub=
lished by the BSA's and CAAST's member companies.
Site Details:
----------------------------------------------
Date Found: 19 Nov 2005 05:51:26 EST (GMT -0500)
Network: Morpheus
IP Address: XX.XX.XX.XX
IP Port: 1720
Protocol: Gnutella
UserName:=20
Content being offered:
----------------------------------------------
Filename: XXX.iso
Filesize: 607,939k
The above computer program(s) is/are being made available for copying, thro=
ugh downloading, at the above location without authorization from the copyr=
ight owner(s). THIS IS A VIOLATION OF CANADIAN COPYRIGHT LAW AND, WE ASSU=
ME, OF YOUR TERMS OF SERVICE.
Based upon BSA's and CAAST's representation of the copyright owners in anti=
-piracy matters, we have a good faith belief that none of the materials or =
activities listed above have been authorized by the rightholders, their age=
nts, or the law. BSA and CAAST represent that the information in this noti=
fication is accurate and states, under penalty of perjury, that it is autho=
rized to act in this matter on behalf of the copyright owners listed above.
We hereby give notice of these activities to you and request that you take =
expeditious appropriate action to prevent the illegal reproduction and dist=
ribution of pirated so
Any advice or thoughts on this would be great. |
|
PiedPiper1
join:2005-11-12 | reply to sbrook
hello all for torrent problems try port 720 i work for rogers see if this helps at all. |
|
corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Ottawa, ON
clubs:  | reply to PuZo10
delete it.
besides, if rogers DID hand over your identity (which they didn't), you can sue them for it.. |
|
cynicaltoo
@speakeasy.n
| reply to PuZo10
dude. perhaps you should ignore and immediately delete such an email. How are they going to confirm that _YOU_ actually got it and read it, except if you reply. I'm not a lawyer so check with one, don't take my word. But I think it's all about plausible deniability. Of course you also want to take steps to ensure that the jackbooted ones won't find anything if they come to visit.
"You sent me an email telling me to cease and desist doing what? Funny, I don't have any recollection of seeing any such email, perhaps it was deleted by my spam filter at the time, assuming of course I actually received it. " |
|
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | reply to sbrook
gotchya... duh, I should have read again where it came from abuse@rogers.... thanks |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to fiberguy
Nobody gave Visual his email address.
Visual looked at the IP address of the "call home" and did an rDNS lookup and said "Rogers.com" which says report cases of abuse to abuse@rci.rogers.com ... which they did.
Rogers looked at their IP logs and determined who it was ... and basically forwarded Visual's message and added their "don't do illegal stuff per our EUA" to it the poster.
Visual still don't know who it was and never will unless they can get a Canadian court order.
Rogers, on the other hand, may simply terminate him if he goes and does something illegal again. |
|
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to PuZo10
said by PuZo10 :I got an e-mail saying my IP has been infringing copyright laws. They said they have the right to take legal action. They said to not reply to the email, but to reply to some guy from » www.visualware.com/Did anyone else get something like this? Ever since the cap I have slowed down downloading dramatically. Could it be from uploading P2P? They didnt say exactly what it was for, I emailed the guy form the site but he hasnt replied. Did you ever stop to ask yourself how they would have gotten your email address if it's a hacked version? Did you register it? Did you enter your email address in the program somewhere?? Something's funny here anyway unless Rogers gave out your email address to them. Just my thought. |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to PuZo6
No ... that's unlikely ... Rogers have too much on their plates to go looking for problems (their abuse desk is a disaster) ... but they are likely to keep this on your file and may do more than just warn you if they receive another complaint like that. |
|
PuZo6
join:2005-03-28
Canada | reply to PuZo10
Okay, I guess my last question is, now that Rogers knows that I was doing somethign wrong. Is there any chance that they wil be monitoring me more carefully or something along the lines of that? |
|
Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
Premium
join:2005-03-12
| reply to PuZo6
PuZo, to answer your two questions, No and No 
There's good advice in this thread. To summarize, the best thing to do is uninstall the stupid thing if you haven't done so already, and then forget the whole thing. Don't use any of their software again unless you buy it.
Do not email them as that is pointless. They don't know who you are, they can't find out who you are because in Canada Rogers cannot release personal information without a court order, and as someone pointed out there is no way it would be worth their while to pursue a court order. That's the end of that part of the story.
As for Rogers "retracting" your status as having been notified of a copyright infringement, look back at sbrook's comment about Rogers being a maze of twisty little passages all alike, which quote also contains the key word "clueless". You will never get anywhere with them. That's the end of the other part of the story. |
|
PuZo6
join:2005-03-28
Canada
| reply to PuZo10
IM definetly sure it came from Rogers because I did *use* that program. Would it make any difference If i e-mailed the guy and told him I would buy a license for that program? Maybe even tell him if he coudl retract his statement to my isp or something? |
|
jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| reply to PuZo10
don't use their software unless you are doing so legally. if the letter was unregistered, and they have no idea if you've received it or not, then throw it away and quit using their software.
if you must, keep downloading, but don't use their software.
don't use their software.
am i being clear?
in any event, rogers might have you on their radar now. even if you don't get nailed by the riaa or mpaa directly, they might send you another letter saying that you've been downloading things that are against your terms of service, and that might be your second warning, or your final one. your choice on how risky it is to continue. |
|
WickedWinter
join:2003-08-02
USA
| reply to PuZo10
Here is an example of what they log/send home:
ip address: 128.138.39.XX [strnXX-XX-dhcp.resnet.colorado.edu]
proxy info: for=192.168.2.187|via=1.0 whale:3128 (squid/2.5.STABLE1)
date/time: 2002/10/08 22:27:19 EST
ethernet mac: 00E018190757
user name: Sutha XXXXXuphong
computer name: blueXXXXX
license key: NONE - CRACKED VERSION
product: VisualRoute (build 1819)
found here:
»www.visualware.com/company/cracked.html |
|
