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Drex_CS
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| Re: Cable always has upload problems said by Primis1  :And if they can't hack it, then their business model is flawed and... that's not my fault or responsibility....It's called capitalism. It's darwinistic in nature. If you can't provide what's necessary or can't cut it.. too bad. Those are the breaks. It's life. First, your missing a big point here, Shaw *does* meet the demands of most users. just because you choose to download and pirate 100's of GB's a month of info doesn't mean my grandma does as well. You need to learn how to put your feet in other people's shoes. For every 1 or 2 of you (and me) who download a lot, there are 100 people who use 10 Gb a month if they go crazy on it.
Shaw's the 2nd largest CableCo in the country I believe.. looks like they're havin a rough time eh?  | |
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| Re: Cable always has upload problems quote:
just because you choose to download and pirate 100's of GB's a month of info doesn't mean my grandma does as well.
Again though, that's why Grandma is on the standard plan and he's clearly going to go for the Extreme tier (and pay more for it).
Grandma would be offered a "Lite" plan if cable operators weren't afraid standard customers would downgrade and they'd lose revenue. Instead, she's using 10% of a $50 connection and paying much more than she's getting. So it works both ways.
Cable companies hold some responsibility for their marketing choices, you know.... | |
| | Drex_CS
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| Re: Cable always has upload problems said by Karl Bode : quote:
just because you choose to download and pirate 100's of GB's a month of info doesn't mean my grandma does as well.
Grandma would be offered a "Lite" plan if cable operators weren't afraid standard customers would downgrade and they'd lose revenue. She is on the Lite plan, shaw does offer that (128kbps). I dont mean to say that shaw is right in capping at 50 (I said earlier that a raise would be good) but saying that Shaw is going to go out of buisness because of the 5 to 8% of people that hit 100 GB a month is silly. And 80+% of shaw's internet basis are made up of people that wont go over that cap unless they really try to. | |
| zod5000
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| the argument is flawed, because when shaw states their statistics in those warning emails that say you're in the top 10 percent. They fail to point out how many people they already punted off their networks (or left due to the warnings).
why don't you guys see how that artifically lowers the bandwidth usage numbers their always flashing. Mix that with the caps, and of course its not hard to get in the top 10 percent. To get an accurate number, they'd have to let the floodgates open for a few months, let the people comeback, redo the states, and see what kind of average they get, and then still see if you're in the top 10 percent.
shaw controls their own bloody statistics through indimidation and threats. | |
| | Drex_CS
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1 edit | Re: Cable always has upload problems said by zod5000 :the argument is flawed, because when shaw states their statistics in those warning emails that say you're in the top 10 percent. They fail to point out how many people they already punted off their networks (or left due to the warnings). shaw controls their own bloody statistics through indimidation and threats. Never heard of someone being punted off the system. usually it's a standard phone call/emial saying to slow it down a bit.. if you do, then they forget about you, if you dont, they turn off your modem for a predetermined amount of time (which they tell you before hand).
Ofcourse they dont count people that leave... you want them to count everyone who is not using thier internet? why dont you ask them to put thier caps up by making an assumption on the fact that they "could" have all of north america as customers... just sounds stupid now doesn't it?
What threats are you getting from shaw? I know i got a letter that said they are offering me a free trial of thier Cable because I have the internet.. O and there was this scary one about how they're offering a inexpensive phone service now.. ya that one was scary! | |
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Edmonton, AB | Re: Cable always has upload problems yah they'll kick off if suspensions don't work on you. | |
| Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
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First, your missing a big point here, Shaw *does* meet the demands of most users. just because you choose to download and pirate 100's of GB's a month of info doesn't mean my grandma does as well. You need to learn how to put your feet in other people's shoes.
No, I don't. Aside from your childish resorting to accusation of piracy because you're apparently bereft of any other argument, you also didn't actually read a single thing I've said yet obviously, since you're harping on download. The DOWNload is irrelevant. We want more UPload. I don't use much in the way of download anymore, I find myself using upload more and more.
And the original argument was that "The cableco's infrastructure can't handle increased upload".
And the statement that "Are you willing to pay more?" for something I should already have by now in the year 2005 is completely asinine and stupid.
Thus why I said "If they can't hack it and keep up... that's their problem not mine". My demands as a consumer don't have to in any way take into consideration any 5-year or 10-year plan they may or may not have. | |
| | Drex_CS
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| Re: Cable always has upload problems said by Primis1 : Aside from your childish resorting to accusation of piracy because you're apparently bereft of any other argument...I find myself using upload more and more. Well you picked out 2 things in there that I'm not arguing. I only said the pirate thing because, be honest, how are going over 70 GB a month just downloading/uploading pic's from your friends? Doubtful...
One thing your missing (and it's a big thing) is that YOU are not the average user.
The Xtreme internet IS for media heavy users, as well as gamers, but it's pretty hard to be over the cap just doing that. When you start breaking 50GB that means your getting a lot of pod casts, downloading through p2p/torrent, etc.
I think the goal of Xtreme is not to download and upload music/movies/etc.. it's goal is to be able to watch stuff on websites and gaming. (Shaw's goal isn't to help you with p2p/torrent/etc) | |
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