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illJazz
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join:2002-09-04
Zurich
reply to illJazz

Re: Thinking about the jump..

ismar@ubuntu-ismar:~$ lspci -v
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 21)
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Memory at a0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 21) (prog-if
* 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 128
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
I/O behind bridge: 0000c000-0000dfff
Memory behind bridge: e0000000-efffffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 90000000-9fffffff

0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Con
*troller #1 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
I/O ports at e000 [size=32]

0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Con
*troller #2 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
I/O ports at e120 [size=32]

0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Con
*troller #3 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
I/O ports at e240 [size=32]

0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller
* (rev 03) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 83) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]
*)
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=32
I/O behind bridge: 0000a000-0000bfff
Memory behind bridge: d0000000-dfffffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 80000000-8fffffff

0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0

0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4) Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev
*03) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
I/O ports at <unassigned>
I/O ports at <unassigned>
I/O ports at <unassigned>
I/O ports at <unassigned>
I/O ports at 1100 [size=16]
Memory at 40000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]

0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M)
* AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
I/O ports at e400 [size=256]
I/O ports at e600 [size=64]
Memory at f0000400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512]
Memory at f0000600 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controlle
*r (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11
I/O ports at e800 [size=256]
I/O ports at ea00 [size=128]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M
*10] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0471
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at 90000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
I/O ports at c000 [size=256]
Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Etherne
*t (rev 10)
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 10
I/O ports at a200 [size=256]
Memory at d0008000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:02:02.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB21 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller
*(PHY/Link) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 11
Memory at d0001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]
Memory at d0004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
Subsystem: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2701
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 10
Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

0000:02:09.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments: Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 168, IRQ 10
Memory at 40001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Bus: primary=02, secondary=03, subordinate=06, sec-latency=176
Memory window 0: 40400000-407ff000 (prefetchable)
Memory window 1: 40800000-40bff000
I/O window 0: 00004000-000040ff
I/O window 1: 00004400-000044ff
16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001

0000:02:09.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments: Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 168, IRQ 11
Memory at 40002000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Bus: primary=02, secondary=07, subordinate=0a, sec-latency=176
Memory window 0: 40c00000-40fff000 (prefetchable)
Memory window 1: 41000000-413ff000
I/O window 0: 00004800-000048ff
I/O window 1: 00004c00-00004cff
16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001

0000:02:09.2 System peripheral: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8201 (rev 01)
Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer: Unknown device 0470
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128
I/O ports at a000 [size=64]
Capabilities: <available only to root>

ismar@ubuntu-ismar:~$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
rfcomm 40600 0
l2cap 27840 5 rfcomm
speedstep_centrino 8180 0
cpufreq_userspace 6208 1
cpufreq_stats 6080 0
freq_table 4736 2 speedstep_centrino,cpufreq_stats
cpufreq_powersave 1920 0
cpufreq_ondemand 7208 0
cpufreq_conservative 8140 0
pcmcia 27340 4
video 16004 0
sony_acpi 5548 0
pcc_acpi 11360 0
dev_acpi 11396 0
i2c_acpi_ec 5696 0
i2c_core 21760 1 i2c_acpi_ec
button 6704 0
battery 9572 0
container 4608 0
ac 4932 0
ipv6 263968 6
af_packet 23656 2
joydev 10240 0
tsdev 8000 0
pcspkr 3880 0
rtc 13672 0
hci_usb 15656 2
bluetooth 51364 7 rfcomm,l2cap,hci_usb
yenta_socket 23496 2
rsrc_nonstatic 13600 1 yenta_socket
pcmcia_core 50372 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
ipw2200 105928 0
firmware_class 10304 1 ipw2200
ieee80211 30372 1 ipw2200
ieee80211_crypt 6244 2 ipw2200,ieee80211
ohci1394 35252 0
snd_intel8x0 34144 1
snd_ac97_codec 84028 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_pcm_oss 53760 0
snd_mixer_oss 19584 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 92900 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 25956 1 snd_pcm
snd 57764 8 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_
*pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 10176 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 10824 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
tpm_atmel 5792 0
tpm_nsc 6912 0
tpm 10464 2 tpm_atmel,tpm_nsc
pci_hotplug 28412 0
intel_agp 23420 1
agpgart 35436 1 intel_agp
dm_mod 59232 1
evdev 9920 1
sr_mod 17476 0
sbp2 23944 0
scsi_mod 138472 2 sr_mod,sbp2
ieee1394 103128 2 ohci1394,sbp2
psmouse 30436 0
mousedev 12132 1
parport_pc 36356 1
lp 12548 0
parport 37384 2 parport_pc,lp
md 47536 0
ext3 138824 1
jbd 59768 1 ext3
mbcache 10116 1 ext3
vga16fb 12840 1
vgastate 9888 1 vga16fb
thermal 13320 0
processor 23816 2 speedstep_centrino,thermal
fan 4708 0
ide_cd 42148 0
cdrom 40096 2 sr_mod,ide_cd
ide_disk 18880 2
ide_generic 1600 0
usbhid 36000 0
r8169 27180 0
piix 10980 1
ide_core 140628 4 ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,piix
ehci_hcd 35816 0
uhci_hcd 32720 0
usbcore 121180 5 hci_usb,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
unix 29392 765
fbcon 38880 72
tileblit 2592 1 fbcon
font 8448 1 fbcon
bitblit 5856 1 fbcon
vesafb 8216 0
cfbcopyarea 4832 2 vga16fb,vesafb
cfbimgblt 3168 2 vga16fb,vesafb
cfbfillrect 4096 2 vga16fb,vesafb
softcursor 2496 2 vga16fb,vesafb
capability 4936 0
commoncap 7040 1 capability
ismar@ubuntu-ismar:~$

(*) WARNING 13 long line(s) split

As per request ;). I'm still far away from getting this disc done.. but I'm on it.
Beh.. I'm trying to save some files from my Windows C: NTFS partition over to another NTFS partition and I can't do it with Knoppix it seems.. it also can only read NTFS partitions, but not write to them :(

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illJazz
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join:2002-09-04
Zurich
reply to illJazz

Forgot the GFX card. It's an ATI 9700 Mobility.


Gandalf4503

join:2002-06-27
Cohoes, NY

2 edits
reply to illJazz

To set keyboard shortcuts go to System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts

I set my home folder to the "Home" key and the terminal to "Insert". That way I can get around and do what I need very quickly.

Also, I recommend the command prompt over the gui for installing software. Try: sudo aptitude search (app) and then sudo aptitude install (app) (no ( )'s when you type it out of course. And app is the application or lib). Once you get used to using the terminal you'll find that you can get around much quicker than point, click, point, click, and so on.

For me it's:

Hit Insert
cd (dir)
./configure (Or whatever I happen to be doing)

Ubuntu also runs great on my system. There's no slow down at all. I bet you never installed your graphic card drivers which will affect performance.

There's many tips out there for working with Ubuntu and it's a great OS.


garywk

join:2001-03-06
Clarkston, WA

1 recommendation

Looking at the output of lsmod and lspci it's clear your performance issue is one of not having the correct video drivers, i.e. kernel module, installed. I'm not an Ubuntu guy so I'd recommend that you go to the Ubuntu support forums on the Ubuntu site and ask which module to use as I've seen a bunch of conflicting information concerning your video card and haven't actually worked through this problem myself.

I've gone to the ATI site and they are far less than forthcoming with information concerning Linux drivers. They refer people to the Notebook manufacturer's site for your card. ATI says Sager should have the correct Linux drivers but after looking at the Sager site I can find nothing there about Linux drivers. You'd probably have to contact them directly but I have a feeling that they won't have anything.

Someone on the Ubuntu site will know what driver to use.

The other way to figure this out would be to run the same two commands when you are booted into Knoppix and see what driver Knoppix uses by comparing out the output of lsmod between it and Ubuntu. Then you'd know exactly what kernel module you need.



tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:36
reply to illJazz

For what it's worth, I've read a lot of posts that say how bad the ATI drivers are with Linux. I tried the live-CD version of Kubuntu on my main system. It's the only computer I have with an ATI card (9800 Pro). When I tried one of the openGL screen savers, it slowed to a crawl.



illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
Zurich

1 edit
reply to Gandalf4503

said by Gandalf4503:

To set keyboard shortcuts go to System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts

I set my home folder to the "Home" key and the terminal to "Insert". That way I can get around and do what I need very quickly.

Also, I recommend the command prompt over the gui for installing software. Try: sudo aptitude search (app) and then sudo aptitude install (app) (no ( )'s when you type it out of course. And app is the application or lib). Once you get used to using the terminal you'll find that you can get around much quicker than point, click, point, click, and so on.

For me it's:

Hit Insert
cd (dir)
./configure (Or whatever I happen to be doing)

Ubuntu also runs great on my system. There's no slow down at all. I bet you never installed your graphic card drivers which will affect performance.

There's many tips out there for working with Ubuntu and it's a great OS.
Great tips. Thanks! I'll change some keyboard shortcuts. What struck me as odd and what I noticed immediately is how Knoppix places the Terminal all over the place. There's a shortcut in its quick-launch bar in the lower left, you can access it from the menu.. there are a bunch of ways to get to the terminal. In Ubuntu, for some reason, it seems impossible to get to the Terminal without first messing with keyboard shortcuts. What's up with that? Is Ubuntu trying to divert attention from the terminal and focus users on the GUI? Or am I dreaming?
As I was reading your post I completely understood the advantages of a console. It may be a bit harder and not as intuitive to use because you have to remember commands.. but once you've got it down, it really should be a lot faster than having to click your way through things. Very true.

Well with the recent posts added, I suppose the slowness of Ubuntu on my system is definitely due to my GFX card. Where could I find drivers for my ATI under Ubuntu? I agree that it's a great OS and it works nicely for now, but with this delay and sluggishness I'm not enjoying it much as of yet.

said by garywk:

Looking at the output of lsmod and lspci it's clear your performance issue is one of not having the correct video drivers, i.e. kernel module, installed. I'm not an Ubuntu guy so I'd recommend that you go to the Ubuntu support forums on the Ubuntu site and ask which module to use as I've seen a bunch of conflicting information concerning your video card and haven't actually worked through this problem myself.

I've gone to the ATI site and they are far less than forthcoming with information concerning Linux drivers. They refer people to the Notebook manufacturer's site for your card. ATI says Sager should have the correct Linux drivers but after looking at the Sager site I can find nothing there about Linux drivers. You'd probably have to contact them directly but I have a feeling that they won't have anything.

Someone on the Ubuntu site will know what driver to use.

The other way to figure this out would be to run the same two commands when you are booted into Knoppix and see what driver Knoppix uses by comparing out the output of lsmod between it and Ubuntu. Then you'd know exactly what kernel module you need.
Thanks for the great post. You're right about ATI. They are anything but forthcoming when it comes to offering drivers for alternative OSes. And by alternative, I mean anything but Windows. In a way that's understandable, since they make high performance GFX cards and the gaming market is a huge part of their business, and since 99% of all gaming happens on Windoze, it's not surprising that that's where their focus is at. Still, they could make it easier to find Linux drivers for their cards. I doubt they even support Linux officially. And forget that "refer to notebook manufacturer site" crap. I do everything by myself.. all customization and all that.. at the level at which I deal with my systems, I've long crossed the borders of what manufacturer support could help me with, and I'm not alone.

You're right. My best bet probably is checking out the Ubuntu site and doing a couple of searches and asking in the forum.

Tell me more about that second method involving Knoppix. I might skip all the waiting connected to asking in Ubuntu forums doing it this way. Can I hit the PAUSE key while it's loading to stop the boot screen from advancing further so I can write things down?
Knoppix worked very smoothly on my system, but I have to add that that only was the case with 1024x768. My display is best viewed at 1920x1200 and Knoppix, in fact, looked like crap with anything BUT 1024x768. When I changed resolutions I'd start seeing things twice on screen.. I'd have to mouse pointers and nothing was aligned correctly.. shortly put, it was a mess. So maybe Knoppix isn't all THAT great either in this regard.

said by tim_k:

For what it's worth, I've read a lot of posts that say how bad the ATI drivers are with Linux. I tried the live-CD version of Kubuntu on my main system. It's the only computer I have with an ATI card (9800 Pro). When I tried one of the openGL screen savers, it slowed to a crawl.
Thanks for the comment. I figured it'd be something like that. Well.. what now.. is that it? Will this be the end of my romance with Linux? Just because I have an ATI GFX card?


illJazz
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Zurich
reply to illJazz

Here's one big thing I want to know: GNOME vs. KDE. What are the advantages/disadvantages of each and why should I use one over the other or vice versa?

I'm just not sure how they are different. I understand the KDE is supposed to be more pretty and leans somewhat on Windows while GNOME is quite different from Windows, but that's pretty much all I know. Are there any "real" advantages/disadvantages between the two?

I'm asking because Ubuntu can be had with both GNOME and KDE. The KDE version is called "Kubuntu". Even if you have Ubuntu installed already, you can turn it into Kubuntu very easily by installing the KDE packages and removing the GNOME packages. It's all described here: »www.kubuntu.org/faq.php

Thanks
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Gandalf4503

join:2002-06-27
Cohoes, NY
reply to illJazz

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KDE is prettier than gnome and a lot of the applications for it tend to also be prettier. However, because of this KDE uses more system resources. I have also found that KDE runs a little slower and has a tendancy to crash a lot more than gnome.

As far as ubuntu vs kubuntu I find that KDE is a lot less integrated into the kubuntu release than gnome is into ubuntu. Naturally, it all trickles down to the desktop environment of your choice. However, kubuntu just doesn't feel right yet. I'm giveing them a couple more releases before giving it another try.

If you want to create shortcuts on your desktop the easiest way is to go into the menu, right click on the icon and click "Add this launcher to desktop". Tada! It appears on your desktop. Another way to add easily accessible icons without using desktop space is right click on the panel, click "Add to panel and a list of choices will pop up. I added "Run an application by entering a command" to mine. This way if I want to run say..xwine. I click on the icon, type xwine in the window and hit enter and the application launches. I attached a screenshot of my desktop showing you where this option is.

There's a lot of really easy ways to customize Ubuntu to your needs/wants.


illJazz
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reply to illJazz

Thanks for the answer . You Linux heads seem to have your stuff together better than the Windows crowds. All the posts here are informative, full of valuable content and generally interesting . Maybe it's because it's all new to me?

Anyway, thanks for the post. I'll stick to Ubuntu for now. Still, the display driver issue is plaguing me. Knoppix with KDE was very fast on my laptop, Ubuntu with GNOME is unacceptably slow. I'm using it now, but it's a pain in the ass without the right display drivers. Everything LOOKS fine, though font smoothing could be better I think. What bothers me most is just how sluggish Ubuntu is running right now. I'm pretty sure it's because of the display drivers. Couldn't think of anything else.
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jimkyle
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When I was trying to decide on a window manager to use on my first Linux box, after deciding that neither Gnome nor KDE was compact enough for the available resources, I put together this little script and saved it under the name "gogui". I could run it from the command line, and it would make the necessary changes to my "startx" configuration, then launch the new manager. Of course, for it to work I had to install each of the different packages -- but it helped greatly in my effort to reach a good conclusion. I finally chose the IceWM manager, which is very compact but does all that I need...

#!/bin/bash
#
# modify .xinitrc to select gui, and go
#
oldps3="$PS3"
PS3="Your choice? "
clear
echo "Select the window manager to use..."
select TheWm in "AfterStep" "Blackbox" "FluxBox" "FVWM" \
"IceWM" "KDE" "Mwm" "Twm" "WindowMaker" "Quit"
do
if [ $TheWm ]; then
case $TheWm in
"Quit")
;;
"Blackbox")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec /usr/bin/blackbox" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"FluxBox")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec fluxbox" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"FVWM")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec fvwm2" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"IceWM")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec icewm" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"Twm")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec twm" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"Mwm")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "xterm &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec mwm" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"WindowMaker")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec /usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"KDE")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec startkde" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
"AfterStep")
echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
echo "exec afterstep" >> .xinitrc
startx ;;
# "KDE")
# echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
# echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
# echo "exec startkde" >> .xinitrc
# startx ;;
# "KDE")
# echo "xscreensaver &" > .xinitrc
# echo "(sleep 5; xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -fg white -bg red) &" >> .xinitrc
# echo "exec startkde" >> .xinitrc
# startx ;;
*)
echo 'invalid selection.'
sleep 2 ;;
esac
clear
break
else
echo 'invalid selection.'
fi
done
PS3="$oldps3"

I'm no guru; this was one of the first scripts I ever tried to write. The "#" characters at the start of some lines turns those lines into comments. The two extra cases of KDE that are commented out are there so that I could easily add more candidates, but I never needed to...


beameup

join:2000-07-12
Reserve, LA

Congratulations on making the move.
I went with Xandros for my first jump. I found the learning curve wasn't as steep as others and the forum support is great. Try this site for getting a good look at the different distros. »shots.osdir.com/



illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
Zurich
reply to illJazz

I'm still trying to install the correct driver for my ATI Mobility 9700

Not sure how to do it or where to find it. Apparently, ATI's site does offer Linux drivers but I simply wouldn't know which ones to pick, and even if I knew that I have no idea how to install them :/
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grreyeyezz

join:2002-01-05
Cleveland, OH
reply to illJazz

If you don't like that distro check out PCLinuxOS. The best i've tried so far.

»pclinuxonline.com/pclos/index.ht···1844349d



illJazz
Premium
join:2002-09-04
Zurich

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reply to illJazz

I do like it. Really, it's just that I lack the correct display drivers and the whole system runs sluggishly because of that. Once I get those drivers and can ACTUALLY experience what Ubuntu's like.. only then will I know if I really enjoy it or not

EDIT:
PCLinuxOS does look nice. However, it appears to be just one out of hundreds of Linux distros. At least Ubuntu is on the TOP TEN Linux Distros list of distrowatch.com, which gives me some kind of measure of what I'm using and it gives confidence too. That does matter to some extent, but of course that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the hundreds of distros floating around.


Gandalf4503

join:2002-06-27
Cohoes, NY

3 edits
reply to illJazz

Try this driver:

»support.ati.com/ics/support/defa···erID=300

Click on "Linux Drivers and Software" then go to "Notebooks with ATI Graphics" and then "ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Drivers for XFREE86 / X. Org Version 8.16.20". On this page download the file named "ATI Driver Installer" (56.1 mb)

1) Save the file to your disk
2) change to single user mode via "sudo telinit 1", this will drop you to the console. cd to the directory where you saved the file.
3) start the installer as root: "sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-xxxxx"
4) most people can just accept the defaults in the installer (just hit enter at each screen) until the driver starts installation.
5) wait for installation to finish (shouldn't take too long, 30sec at most maybe).
run "sudo fglrxconfig" to generate your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or simply change "radeon" to "fglrx" in your Device section if it exists already. It might be a good idea to generate one even if you have one already just to see how they are different. Make sure you don't copy over the original!
9.)reboot

Troubleshooting:
Direct Rendering doesn't work:
Try "ls -l /lib/modules/(kernel version)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko". It should say the same date as the date you ran the ati driver installer. If not you will have to copy the fglrx driver from /lib/modules/fglrx/. First rename or delete /lib/modules/(kernel version)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko and then "sudo cp /lib/modules/fglrx/fglrx.(kernel version).ko /lib/modules/(kernel version)/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko". Then, make sure you REBOOT.



illJazz
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Excellent. Thank you. I will check it out as soon as I get to it



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»wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI

How to install the ATI drivers in Ubuntu from the ubuntu wiki. That is the way I would do it if I were going to install ATI drivers in ubuntu.
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Perfect dworden See Profile, thank you



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Try this site for quick guides »www.tldp.org . I'm sort of in the same boat as you. I can get some things working on Linux but I don't understand the core OS so that puts me definitely in the NOOB user category. This site was brought up in a class I'm taking and it seems like plain english documentation.
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Thanks a lot TerryMiller See Profile. I haven't booted into Ubuntu since I re-setup my custom made WinXP Pro. I used n-Lite to create a completely customized, patched, tweaked, component-removed WinXP Pro setup disc. I installed it and everything is running smooth as butter.

Now, with this installation I also wiped out the GRUB bootloader I had in place to be able to boot into Ubuntu and Windows, so now I can only boot into Windows. I have to fix that issue first, and then worry about the video drivers in Ubuntu before I can play around more with Ubuntu.
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quote:
Tell me more about that second method involving Knoppix. I might skip all the waiting connected to asking in Ubuntu forums doing it this way. Can I hit the PAUSE key while it's loading to stop the boot screen from advancing further so I can write things down?
I would just direct the output from lspci and lsmod to files that you can look at and/or print out. It's done like this: lspci -v >> lspci.txt. A single ">" will overwrite an existing file, ">>" will append an existing file.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I've been busy doing other things and this is the first chance I've had to get back here.


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I haven't had a chance to try out the display driver installation suggestions that were posted here because in the meantime, I've managed to reinstall Windoze, and well, Windoze seems to have overwritten my GRUB boot loader on installation, so now I don't have access to Ubuntu. Can I install GRUB somehow or do I have to reinstall Ubuntu?

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It should be possible with a rescue disk.

Not familiar with Ubuntu, but likely the install CD can be the means with some work.



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I'll see what I can do. Thanks

I'm currently very short on time so I won't be trying to fix this any time soon. Due to personal reasons, I also see myself forced to suspend my activity at DSLR for the time being. Thanks for all the help. I'll report back when the time comes for it.
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I will have to wait till I get the CD to try Ubuntu, no way I am downloading it over satellite, besides have no cd-writer hooked up yet, and I do have one.

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Here's what I'm dealing with in Ubuntu right now: »www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81127

Put shortly, Linux is turning out to be quite the pain in the ass. I'm sorry to say it so bluntly.. but if it's this hard to do something so ridiculously basic as installing drivers for your graphics card, what does that say about usability and user friendliness of the OS?

Maybe I'm just grumpy, but come on... other than that, I'm actually liking Ubuntu, but things like this are wounding the fondness...
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MoeRL, you should download the static DEB package for Opera, if you're running Ubuntu. It will contain all the libraries it needs to run. If you still haven't installed Opera sucessfully.


joggy

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MoeRL - I just took a peek at your console weirdness prob over in the ubuntuforums link you have there...I believe those lines are sepreartely executed and not meant to be exectued as one 'paste' or command. Try breaking it down by line at your prompt...fyi...sudo runs command as superuser (root).

hth...



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said by illJazz:

Here's what I'm dealing with in Ubuntu right now: »www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81127

Put shortly, Linux is turning out to be quite the pain in the ass. I'm sorry to say it so bluntly.. but if it's this hard to do something so ridiculously basic as installing drivers for your graphics card, what does that say about usability and user friendliness of the OS?

Maybe I'm just grumpy, but come on... other than that, I'm actually liking Ubuntu, but things like this are wounding the fondness...
For the record, ATI and Linux don't get along. That being said, I managed to get DRI working on an ATI 9800 Pro in a matter of minutes.

How comfy are you with the command line? Not to denigrate you, but from reading your post over there I'd guess that you aren't at home in it. Execute the following command (in console):
sudo dpkg -l \*fglrx*\
That will first tell us whether or not Apt was successful installing the module. Next, open the XOrg configuration file in your favorite text editor. Search, using any method you wish, for the string "fglrx". Please copy and paste that entire line and some surrounding text into this thread (please don't post your entire config). We'll go from there.

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I'm a bloody noob at Linux and the command-line, to be perfectly frank. I actually quite enjoy using the command line, but it's full of mysteries for me at this time.

I've noticed that... that ATI + Linux = not friends. I tried to install a Brother printer driver to Ubuntu as well and now that's causing problems with the installation of fglrx.

When trying out Linux, I was hoping that the OS would present itself to me in a more "transparent" way than Microsoft's Windows does. I was hoping to know more about what was going on. So far, I find it's no better than Windows, at least in that respect.

I'll have to post the "log" of my latest troubles here or over at Ubuntuforums.org.

There are multiple guides floating around about how to install the ATI drivers on Ubuntu Breezy. I never know which one to follow. The latest one I tried last night, unsuccessfully, was from here: »ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75382
I tried with the fourth one under how to's in that thread.
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