gheezer
Compooters R Us
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join:2002-12-20
Henrietta, NY
2 edits | Well thought out argument against MUNI's
if Muni's recieve government funds, that leaves them open to constitutional challanges regarding Data that's allowed to pass across the network.
If government funds are used to fund the Muni...
some fringe radical liberal is going to demand that the local preacher TV channel NOT be shown...(bad)
or...
Some fringe radical conservative is going to demand that anything even remotely related to porn NOT be available across that network.(really really bad!)
I'm not kidding, this is going to happen...
(and who's going to police the police to make sure they're not spying on you!)
I'm not PRO cable, I just happen to work for one, and if a Muni drives them out of business, then I'll go work for the Muni...it's not a big deal to me, it's just a job.
I do believe tho, that if you take Cable TV and Cable Internet out of private hands and start funding it with public money, you WILL see this kind of constitutional challenge some day.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Problem is that in private hands, prices go up. No competition means higher prices as this article states. There is no argument on that.
Also, this is Utah. Land of the Mormans. If they haven't banned porn yet, my guess is they won't.
Also, Comcast already spies on you and sells your information. What is the difference with government? |
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gheezer
Compooters R Us
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join:2002-12-20
Henrietta, NY
| Takes a warrant or subpeona today by law enforcement to get any data on you the customer to the police. I know this as part of my job.
The Mormon's have nothing to do with this, challenges to data made available across taxpayer funded networks will come from far right and far left political action groups.
You asked, I answered, the problem with Taxpayer funded data networks is that they are open to constitional challenge regarding what data can pass across them, and that expectations of privacy for the consumer are tenuous at best.
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ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL
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said by gheezer  :if Muni's recieve government funds, that leaves them open to constitutional challanges regarding Data that's allowed to pass across the network. If government funds are used to fund the Muni... Perhaps the local municipalities bought some of the revenue bonds, but no govt. funds were used. The bonds were sold and brokered through the regular muni bond market and is owned by pension funds, investment funds, individual 401K's and corporate concerns.
If Comcast & Qwest had any brains, they would have bought some of the bonds themselves. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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said by gheezer :Takes a warrant or subpeona today by law enforcement to get any data on you the customer to the police. I know this as part of my job. And no warrant is required if this were a muni operation. If you read the article, you would notice it was being run by a private company (DynamicCity Inc.)
said by gheezer :The Mormon's have nothing to do with this, challenges to data made available across taxpayer funded networks will come from far right and far left political action groups. My guess is that you haven't been to Utah. Mormons control a good part of that state. There are no "bars" but clubs which you have to be a member to go into. If you are a Mormon, being a member is bad but you can always be a "guest."
Mormons are a political group themselves and can push for certain things of they want to.
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said by gheezer :You asked, I answered, the problem with Taxpayer funded data networks is that they are open to constitional challenge regarding what data can pass across them, and that expectations of privacy for the consumer are tenuous at best. Again, this is a publicly funded operation under private control. Same rules apply to them as does Comcast and Quest. |
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bchoate8
join:2004-02-17
Logan, UT
| Moonpuppy is correct. The local governments who are participating aren't "funding" the building of the network, they are only backup up the bonds.
Check out the Utopia faq for more info:
»www.utopianet.org/faq/faq.htm |
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TraumaJunkie
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join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN
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said by moonpuppy :Also, Comcast already spies on you and sells your information. What is the difference with government? You have proof of this I assume or do you just tossd accusations out of your a$$ because you are that lame?
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Remember the whole proxy server incident? |
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Locofreak
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From their own site.
Q: Will UTOPIA censor content over the network?
A: No. It is contrary to the nature of government to infringe on or restrict first amendment rights. Any content deemed legal for distribution over traditional media (current cable TV and Internet, for example) may be distributed over the UTOPIA network.
However, UTOPIA is sensitive to the standards of its unique community. As a result, all Internet service providers and video program providers will be required to provide content filtering as an option--free of charge--to all its subscribers. Using the provided tools, individuals may determine for themselves what they wish to receive or exclude over the UTOPIA network. |
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