DSL_Steve
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join:2003-11-28
Woodbury, CT | NAV 2006 no longer supports WinMe & 98 users
I guess it was just a matter of time...
»www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/ |
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Tyreman
join:2002-10-08 | Well it was bound to hsppen.
One positive note if you run with those OSs' you needn't worry about uninstalling Norton or it going for a poop anymore:D |
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Blackbird
Built for Speed
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join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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You could see this coming, especially in the context of how unfriendly NAV2004 and 5 have been with too many Win98 users. And... that is why I migrated to NOD32 in July when my NAV2002 was killed off by Symantec's planned-obsolescence strategy. My only regret? Not having done it MUCH sooner! I would have been spared a LOT of confusion and grief caused by several of Symantec's peculiar Live Update fiascos during this past year. 
And another curious benefit of abandoning NAV: a longstanding and nagging computer-clock slowdown of about 5 to 8 seconds a day (and on rare occasions, several minutes a day) that began right after a NAV LiveUpdate back in early January 2004 suddenly disappeared the very hour NAV was uninstalled from this computer in early July... total drift since then has been less than 6 seconds. I had replaced the CMOS battery, checked the clock-circuit components on the MoBo, and generally fretted and experimented with blocking all sorts of other programs as possible culprits - with utterly no success. Then, out of the blue, NAV's removal completely cleared the problem!
From very positive experiences during the "early" years of computers, I came to consider Norton the 'gold standard' of utilities and virus protection. I still think highly of a number of old Norton utilities suitable for this old machine. But say what you will, Symantec is certainly no longer your mother's Peter Norton. 
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
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join:2001-03-25
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True. If one buys 2006 products (e.g., store CD versions) and try to install it, he/she gets 2005 version. So, he/she not completely out of the woods -- just won't get the latest one.
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loopy2003
join:2003-07-31
Schenectady, NY | reply to DSL_Steve
I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist. |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
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said by antdude  :True. If one buys 2006 products (e.g., store CD versions) and try to install it, he/she gets 2005 version. So, he/she not completely out of the woods -- just won't get the latest one. In other words they won't be as well protected. :/
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I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist.
I say bah. Common sense will keep one safe on 98 as well as any other OS. A 98 user that is reading this forum or any security mailing list is likely to be quite secure, moreso than say, Gramma with her brand new Dell running XP, who doesn't read any security bulletins and doesn't understand windows update.
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PetePuma
How many lumps do you want
Premium,MVM
join:2002-06-13
Arlington, VA
| said by sivran :I say bah. Common sense will keep one safe on 98 as well as any other OS. A 98 user that is reading this forum or any security mailing list is likely to be quite secure, moreso than say, Gramma with her brand new Dell running XP, who doesn't read any security bulletins and doesn't understand windows update. Common sense doesn't fix bugs. No more updates to 98 are getting posted, so if you are still using 98, I'd say Grandma running XP is better off. |
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wriley
I'M Sick Of Fixing Your Computer.
Premium
join:2001-08-30
Edmonton, AB
clubs:  | reply to DSL_Steve
WHy is anyone still running pre xp and 2k os's? Is there any reasons besides being cheap? |
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tls663
Premium
join:2004-01-30
canada
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said by loopy2003 :I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist. I belive that this can be said about windows period reguardless of version minus Vista until we see how it stacks up against attacks |
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dp
Go Steelers
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-08
Greensburg, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
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said by wriley :WHy is anyone still running pre xp and 2k os's? Is there any reasons besides being cheap? For some, especially the elderly on fixed incomes, upgrading is not very easy to pull off. I have a few in my neighborhood that fit that category. They have the PC's primarily to keep in touch with out of state family and they just cannot afford to do it.
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Anonynona
join:2003-02-11
Lawrenceville, GA
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said by sivran :not this quote:
I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist.
I say bah. Common sense will keep one safe on 98 as well as any other OS. A 98 user that is reading this forum or any security mailing list is likely to be quite secure, moreso than say, Gramma with her brand new Dell running XP, who doesn't read any security bulletins and doesn't understand windows update. Not so...unless they still run C/PM, or Commodore64's et al. lol Otherwise, Win98 can't honestly be thought of as a secure system, Win98SE did improve upon that somewhat, but really...that kind of "common sense" goes hand in hand with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mindset. We would still be in caves if nobody wanted improvements and all the gripes about the newer opsyses still won't make the older, lousier versions any better at all.
And Gramma with her brand new Dell, etc...she's more secure than anybody, cause she doesn't, can't and won't use "that thing" for much of anything, much less the Internet, email, et al...why should she waste the $$ when she can write letters and the phone works just dandy!   |
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Anonynona
join:2003-02-11
Lawrenceville, GA
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said by dp :said by wriley :WHy is anyone still running pre xp and 2k os's? Is there any reasons besides being cheap? For some, especially the elderly on fixed incomes, upgrading is not very easy to pull off. I have a few in my neighborhood that fit that category. They have the PC's primarily to keep in touch with out of state family and they just cannot afford to do it. Yet, those same elderly that "can't" afford to purchase even an OEM version (cheap and legal; some people who seem to love that route), but they do have Internet access, cable/satellite service, telephone service with maybe a "few" of the useless features (and they keep paying $60-$80/yr for inside maintenance, while the wires and connectors simply sit and never wear out, no matter how much you use them)...yeah, right... If that's a valid argument, then why don't they really save some money and get rid of the computer and Internet service. I know pens and paper are still used by those who are educated, plus a phone call is cheeeaap nowadays and you can actually use your vocal cords. Most elderly still prefer that way of life and really don't give a hoot about computers, the Internet, or email. |
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wriley
I'M Sick Of Fixing Your Computer.
Premium
join:2001-08-30
Edmonton, AB
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1 edit | said by Anonynona :said by dp :said by wriley :WHy is anyone still running pre xp and 2k os's? Is there any reasons besides being cheap? For some, especially the elderly on fixed incomes, upgrading is not very easy to pull off. I have a few in my neighborhood that fit that category. They have the PC's primarily to keep in touch with out of state family and they just cannot afford to do it. Yet, those same elderly that "can't" afford to purchase even an OEM version (cheap and legal; some people who seem to love that route), but they do have Internet access, cable/satellite service, telephone service with maybe a "few" of the useless features (and they keep paying $60-$80/yr for inside maintenance, while the wires and connectors simply sit and never wear out, no matter how much you use them)...yeah, right... If that's a valid argument, then why don't they really save some money and get rid of the computer and Internet service. I know pens and paper are still used by those who are educated, plus a phone call is cheeeaap nowadays and you can actually use your vocal cords. Most elderly still prefer that way of life and really don't give a hoot about computers, the Internet, or email. Not to mention the ones who say they cant afford high speed so they have aol and a second phone line which adds up to more then double the cost of cable.
Plus they are paying phone support, and computer reapir bills that cost much more then a new system. Iv seen elderly people who have spent thousands on there win98 machine when they can call dell and have an xp machine with flat panel for 399 or less |
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FoMoCo
466 C.I.D.
join:2001-01-10
Grand Rapids, MI
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I still run a 98se box on my network and as someone said with a bit of common sense and some know how it has stayed clean for years.I also have a second drive with 98se (dualboot) set up on my box which I use for gaming only.
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B
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join:2000-10-28
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What the heck are you guys going on about? Doesn't everyone recognize that Win98, out of the box, is far far more secure (from the Internet) than most versions of Win2K and WinXP?
Sheesh. How soon we forget.
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wriley
I'M Sick Of Fixing Your Computer.
Premium
join:2001-08-30
Edmonton, AB
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no its not, right now the chance of getting attacked is alot lower because there are not many 98 machines around meaning less 98 machines infected and spreading viruses and not many people looking for 98 machines to break. But 98 has little to no security and out of the box I can crash your 98 machine with a single packet or gain access to it within a few moments. |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 |
How? Out of the box, you can't do a damned thing to a Win98 machine, as far as I understand.
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wriley
I'M Sick Of Fixing Your Computer.
Premium
join:2001-08-30
Edmonton, AB
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Well i guess it depends if out of the box it has a nic or modem installed and if it is connected to the internet. Once connected to the net most 98 machines already have file and printer sharing active with no security what so ever. There were just as many problems with 98 in its time as xp has now. Plus there was no built in firewall, and no packet filtering like xp and 2k have built in. here is a page with some of the updates you would need to secure a 98 machine. Not to mention that it is EOL (end of life) so MS is not really patching it any more.
»www.microsoft.com/windows98/down···rate.asp
EOL explanation
»www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecy···ult.mspx |
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B
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join:2000-10-28
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It's been a while, but I really think you're wrong on that point. It's NT/2K/XP that have file sharing enabled by default.
One had to go out of one's way to enable file sharing on Win9x. Installing a NIC and connecting to the Internet was NOT enough to turn on file sharing. One had to explicitly choose to add "File and printer sharing for Microsoft (or Novell) Networks" in the Control Panel. And there'd be no reason to for the typical home user, especially in the past.
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Allyn_P
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join:2002-10-29
Cashiers, NC | reply to DSL_Steve
No surprise there. The Symantec family has not worked well with Windows 9x since 2004. |
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