theeinstein
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If they don't like our position they don't have to participate in the internet!
I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!!
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GOLFnSUN
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|  said by theeinstein  :If they don't like our position they don't have to participate in the internet! I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!! =) »www.globetechnology.com/servlet/···hnology/
The United States refuses to relinquish its role as the Internet's principal traffic policeman, rejecting calls in a United Nations meeting for a U.N. body to take over, a top U.S. official said Thursday.
One proposal that countries have been discussing would wrest control of domain names from the U.S.-based Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, and place it with an intergovernmental group, possibly under the United Nations.
"We think that that's inappropriate," Gross told reporters at U.N. offices in Geneva. "The genius of the Internet is that it has been flexible (and) private sector led."
Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster. ICANN already has international membership and doesn't need UN involvement or interference. Global government is a bad idea whose time should never come.
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PDXPLT
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| said by GOLFnSUN :[Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster. Hmmm... So the ITU's 170-year track record of developing telecom standards is a "disaster"? Who do you think is responsible for the fact that you can pick up just about any phone in the world, punch in a few numbers, and reach just about any other phone?
You should try to learn at least a little about the issue your talking about, before commenting on it. Spouting off ideological pronouncements from a position of ingorance, that may be wholly inappropriate to the specific issue at hand, adds nothing to the discussion.
As it is, it looks like this standoff is leading to a second DNS system: one controlled by whoever happens to be in the White House at the time, and one by an intergovernmental body. 'not surprising these days that most of the world is alot more comfortable with one than the other. |
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mgbaker
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»www.itu.int/aboutitu/overview/history.html
ITU is the organization many want to take over ICANN's
job.
The ITU is very well run, it is because of them that
global standards are in place and I can pick up the
phone and talk seemlesly to someone in India or France. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by mgbaker :The ITU is very well run, it is because of them that global standards are in place and I can pick up the phone and talk seemlesly to someone in India or France. And it takes them years to forge an agreement on anything. Yes, the telephones work, but they have had 50 years to get it right. That organization moves too slow to manage something like the ever changing internet.
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Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster.
Give us one example that is not military or Iraqi in nature. Better yet, explain how the ITU is a disaster. |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
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IMO there is a difference between creating standards and running/regulating things.
I am all for standards, be it business or the UN ITU.
At this time I just don't trust the UN to running/regulating the internet. |
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noone1
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Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY we should change the current means of Governance?
I do not accept, "Its a world resource." This is not a valid argument since many of the world's resources are controlled by a limited number of governments.
So, tell me...
1. What is *broken*
2. How it will be fixed
3. How no OTHER problems will arise
You MUST address ALL three points.
The burden of proof is on those who want the change.
*edit due to lysdexia. Thanks Kapil for pointing it out* |
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fiberguy
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"You should try to learn at least a little about the issue your talking about, before commenting on it. Spouting off ideological pronouncements from a position of ingorance, that may be wholly inappropriate to the specific issue at hand, adds nothing to the discussion."
Bravo! Way to go! You told that 'no-body' with an 'opion' off but good, now didn't you? Who died and left you moderator.
Instead of bashing him for his opinion, and you yourself looking like a power hungry superiority ingorant person yourself in an open and free forum, why don't you just lay out the facts?
What I saw in his post was, like many people in American, is that he doesn't like or trust the U.N. - many people believe that the U.N. is nothing more than the old disbanded League of Nations.
To the small time that the U.N. has held the ITU as a specialized unit, telecommunications may be running O.K., but there are many other areas where people believe the U.N. is corrupt and ineffective. I thend to look at the over all picture when judging any 'body' instead of just one small area. It's how everyone is looked at - no different that when people look at your credit score. You can have one great 10 yera history on your home loan and suck and keeping your creidt cards and other bills paid. Doesn't make you a good risk.
Like many others say, if the internet ain't broke, don't fix and, and it ain't broke. |
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kapil
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The proof of burden? |
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kapil
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Good decisions take time. It takes time and thought to do things right as opposed to, say, invading a sovereign country because someone pissed off your daddy.
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bistro777
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said by theeinstein :I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!! Given the history of deployment here in the States, I think the correct phrase is "we have them by the Bells." 
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LinuxJunkie
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You find some way to work the Iraq conflict into every single one of your posts, don't you? Give Ms. Sheehan a kiss for us. |
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justncredible
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yes learn about the real issue,,, and that would be the pissant euro trash country's wanting to control information. The last thing these governments want is a informed public. You think is the only country trying to block information,,,umm hell no. If just a few of the french could read and understand what we in this country have, they would revolt. Keep the people ignorant, that is the only hope for socialist regimes. |
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packetscan
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If you are not WITH us your are AGAINST us. |
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kapil
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It's not about the Iraq war...I just don't understand when we as a nation started to mistake fast decisions for good ones? Sound decision-making takes time and thought. There are no shortcuts.
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| Yes, the way you'd prefer is to take 50 years deciding whether Iraq is a threat, while they're developing cruise missiles and other weapons. Then by the time that the 50 years is over and you're about to give your long, winded, boring, and mostly off-topic speech, Iraq will simply launch a missile in your face.
Sometimes time is of the essence. Some people can't understand that.
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cao1964
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by theeinstein : The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster. ICANN already has international membership and doesn't need UN involvement or interference. Global government is a bad idea whose time should never come. Ha ha, I am from the states and I don't think the UN is useless, its not perfect but I would actually not mind if the UN shared some of the power, you must be one of those fanitic american. Get a life, its not only not perfect here, its not that incredible either and yes I have lived and visited other places. |
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theeinstein
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Fernandina Beach, FL | With that said is it possible the next time you visit those "other places" that you stay there?
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said by Tsume : while they're developing cruise missiles and other weapons. hmm.. I though this ill conceived war proved that they weren't making weapons of mass destruction?  |
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