jchin
join:2005-10-05
10300
| [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering FYI everyone ... Level3.NET has decided to turn off public peering with Cogent (and others) this morning at 6am.
What does this mean?
Anyone with connections through Level3.NET (like RoadRunner) cannot access certain Internet sites because Level3.NET refuses to route to them.
This is just greed! Level3 basically wants everyone who peers with them to pay, and not provide any free public peering.
Everyone should call Level3.NET at 877-453-8353 and complain.
I am a RoadRunner customer and can no longer access my office because my office is connected via Cogent.
Level3 needs to hear from the Internet community that what they are doing is wrong. | |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering RR will simply update their routing tables to word "around" the problem and they'll probably do this quickly. | |
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 | psubill78
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Kenosha, WI | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Not that quickly - it's been broken for very much of the day today | |
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zess
@rr.com | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Do you have a link to where you found this information about level3 | |
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zess
@rr.com | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I have ran into a routing problems also. 2 of the sites i visit i cant connect to and both fail after the same hop.
p16-5-0-0.r00.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net | |
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join:2004-02-24
Raleigh, NC | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I am unable to get to photobucket.com today and when I did a traceroute the last hop was verio.atdn.net | |
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join:2000-02-27
Fenton, MO | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering same issues here...4 sites (3 in WI, 1 in MN) previously able to connect to a cogent ip went down around 4:50am central and haven't been able to connect since | |
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Bman6952
@chcgil.ameritech | Just use www.imageshack.us to host your images | |
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dh10
join:2005-04-25
New York, NY | you'd think RR would post something simple like this on the network status page instead of the red dot mumbo jumbo they have for nyc.rr.com | |
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Flizesh
Premium
join:2003-08-16
Staten Island, NY
clubs: | If you're lucky you'll get to use ATDN where it pings 100 in prime time!  | |
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CRUC1AL JMM
join:2005-03-28
Charlotte, NC | I live in NC and jus spoke to someone from TWC and was told that they are working on the problem, lol, we'll see | |
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mckenna797
join:2004-08-25
Astoria, NY | I have been able to connect to the federal goverment employees thrift savings plan website most of my other sites i can connect to | |
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dh10
join:2005-04-25
New York, NY | further...
my own domain, which has not been reachable by me from roadrunner, can be reached directly by a friend on the att network, so roadrunner's problems today may be even broader than connectivity with cogent. | |
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| psubill78
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Kenosha, WI | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I'm in an online chat with a RR tech support, and they are just saying "routing issues outside of their network, with no ETA on resolution"
This will effect more and more throughout the day as people notice issues. | |
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Level3sucks
@rr.com
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I'm being impacted here in Florida alot, i cant access any of my websites, and im having problems connecting to anyone that peers with cogent aswell, and you know what pissess me off? road runner wont update me on anything, they give me these BS generic replys like they are some lawn gnome, pathetic. | |
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equiptec
join:2000-10-16
Apollo Beach, FL
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I switched my Brighthouse connection from RR to Earthlink in Fl. last nite. No better but $29.95 for 6 mos. & give RR somehing go think about. I have a friend who is on AOL w/ Brighthouse Cabe & has connetions to all the sites. But I refuse to put that software on any pc.
If you have a wireless pc connection try & see if you can connect via a neighbors DSL. I got 4 listed but only one is verizon & works fine..very slow but fine. The slow is a weak wireless signal.
LOL:( | |
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join:2004-06-11
Kernersville, NC
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering My brother and grandfather both have EL cable through TW and everything works fine for them. I'm on RR, in the same city, and I can't access sites, photobucket.com etc, they can. If this doesn't get resolved soon I may switch over and see myself. It is cheaper for 6 months | |
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zekeo
@rr.com | It is affecting us in North Carolina too. My suggestion is to complain to your local US representative since Level3 is, among other things, a government contractor. | |
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dellsweig
Extreme Aerobatics
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering nothing like an intellegent response..... | |
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Level3sucks
@rr.com | I dont think complaining to the goverment is going to make level3 re-peer with cogent.... | |
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| aarskringspi
join:2004-10-02
Springfield, OR | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Perhaps cogent could quit abusing the perring agreement? They send far more traffic than they receive from Level3 I dont blame them for yanking the plug. | |
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | Well for the time being, I am using this to access the sites that are currently unreachable...
»www.proxymouse.com/ | |
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| | TheNetCode
join:2005-10-06
Lima, OH
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering said by dellsweig  :said by Racerbob :Well for the time being, I am using this to access the sites that are currently unreachable... » www.proxymouse.com/ 1) Who knows what these sites try to collect on you 2) I need to access sites to push out real-time weather data (Citizen Weather Observer Program CWOP). I am out of luck until RR works out their routing issue. I can tell you that this site is safe. My company owns this site and we only offer it as a free service to help others. We do make money from the ads that are placed on the site only. It as we state on the site your information is never captured. I hope this clarifies this for you. If you have any questions please send us an email to our hosting site at www.thenetcode.com. | |
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Premium
join:2003-01-26
Kenosha, WI | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Be aware of proxymouse.com. If you have to put in anything personal (i.e. login to a site that isn't SSL) your information is sent CLEAR TEXT.
And since proxymouse.com isn't a secure proxy, you won't even be able to access SSL pages. | |
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PrMouse
@direcpc.com
| """dellsweig
nothing like an intellegent response....."""
Your telling me.. in the future try not trashing other peoples websites which you obviously have no knowledge of.
ProxyMouse.com does NOT collect ANY of its users information.. Thanks for the dark cloud WeatherMan (dellsweig) | |
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kirichan
@rr.com | I called Level3.net they said its cogents fault, because cogent refuses to work with them or something. | |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
4 edits | WTF AM I PAYING FOR THIS SHIT »www.photobucket.com/ 202.47.96.186 PORT 80 PROXY LIST.
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\BIGMIKE>tracert 38.99.224.5
Tracing route to 38.99.224.5 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms 10.32.160.1
2 7 ms 5 ms 6 ms gig2-3.wmnsca2-rtr2.socal.rr.com [24.30.161.17]
3 10 ms 6 ms 7 ms SRP2-0.ORNGCA1-GSR1.socal.rr.com [24.30.161.158]
4 8 ms 7 ms 6 ms SRP2-0.ORNGCA4-GSR1.socal.rr.com [66.75.161.190]
5 7 ms 5 ms 7 ms SRP2-0.ORNGCA4-GSR2.socal.rr.com [66.75.161.189]
6 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms SO-0-1-0.lsanca1-rtr1.socal.rr.com [66.75.161.26
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7 9 ms 8 ms 10 ms pop1-las-P5-1.atdn.net [66.185.133.193]
8 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms bb2-las-P0-0.atdn.net [66.185.137.130]
9 16 ms 15 ms 14 ms bb2-sjg-P7-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.23]
10 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms pop1-sjg-P1-0.atdn.net [66.185.150.83]
11 17 ms 18 ms 19 ms p16-0-1-3.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
9.41]
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | Some of the net has come back. A few sites that were unreachable earlier are now able to be reached, but several others such as Drudge Report and Photobucket are still out. | |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I can get to Drudge's site but not Photobucket. A tracert to drudge goes from rr.com to level3.net to some hops with no rDNS entries, then svwh.net (??), another unnamed hop, then drudge's host. A tracert to Photobucket times out after verio.net. | |
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY
 ·FrontierNet Intern..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Tracing route to drudgereport.com [65.77.130.210]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms xxx.xxx.xxx.x
2 7 ms 10 ms 8 ms 10.109.48.1
3 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms pos0-1.rochnywbs-rtr01.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.2.117
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4 9 ms 14 ms 9 ms srp5-0.rochnymth-rtr03.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.3.161
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5 12 ms 8 ms 7 ms srp3-0.rochnymth-rtr01.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.3.177
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6 10 ms 12 ms 11 ms son0-0-2.syrcnyspp-rtr06.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.224
.173]
7 19 ms 20 ms 21 ms so-2-1-0-0.gar1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [4.78.1
48.5]
8 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms so-7-0-0.mp2.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [209.247.9
.253]
9 95 ms 98 ms 97 ms as-0-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.133]
10 101 ms 97 ms 97 ms ae-11-51.car1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.15]
11 97 ms 97 ms 97 ms 4.79.216.76
12 98 ms 97 ms 97 ms 64.200.21.124.svwh.net [64.200.21.124]
13 99 ms 99 ms 98 ms 10.5.0.3
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * | |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Try it again... it should make it all the way and is unaffected by the issue of this thread. | |
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JohnCHowie
@pacbell.n | WTF? You expect LVLT to offer FREE TRAFFIC when a customer has not payed them?
Do you geeks have any business savy at all?
"OMG I CAN"T REEACH WEBSITE OMFG SUEE!!!"
Whats the matter w/ you guys............. chill!! | |
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| L2006
join:2001-12-03
Stratford, ON | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering "unregistered" is right though... nobody offers FREE bandwidth do they!?! Why would LEVEL3 give it away?
(If they are givig away free connections, sign ME up!!) HA | |
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level3sucks
@rr.com
2 edits | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering you need to look up what peering means...
It cost's level3 nothing to peer with cogent bandwidth wise because the only bandwidth cogent is using is whats already on level3's backbone, its not like they are accessing sites out of level3's network | |
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join:2001-12-03
Stratford, ON | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering ok... so how does level3 make money? | |
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DamnLevel3
@rr.com | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Through their Customers. peering agreements are beneficial to both sides, because it enables both sides of customers to reach things they would not have before.
I think that Level3's CEO wants a payraise. | |
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got_FIOS
@rr.com
| Yea it really sucks.. especially when you run a business and you cant access it.. and no a "free proxy" wont help me
i cant wait till verizon is offered in my area.. and yes i know this has nothing todo with RR.. just seems like somthing is always wrong with RR | |
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no_one_really
@rr.com | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
"i cant wait till verizon is offered in my area.. and yes i know this has nothing todo with RR.. just seems like somthing is always wrong with RR"
Amen to that. Something is ALWAYS wrong w/RR. | |
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level3sucks
@64.34.x.x
| Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Yeah, I cant get FIOS in my area, but I will have to move off RR if this isnt fixed by tommorw, my buisness runs on a CogentCO connection and i have to use proxys just to administer my servers, and frankly this type of thing is unacceptable. RoadRunner should have more than 1 ISP so if something like happends, everyone is not stuck in the mud. | |
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level3islikem
@rr.com | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering I hope when i wake up in the morning this is all fixed.............. | |
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Racerbob
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering Guess what...it ain't fixed this morning. | |
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rportjr
@rr.com
| this morning about 8:30 am is when i noticed i wasnt able to axcess www.filefront.com www.yousendit.com www.msnbc.com www.photobucket.com and a few others
a friend sent me a site called www.guardster.com and it what that does is hides ur identity thats the only way i could get thru these sites | |
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rportjr
@rr.com | also i live in the chemung county area of ny and use road runner there connection has sucked for 4 months now | |
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Truth--
| Public Peering is what makes the internet work. Its what allows Networks, ISP's, etc, to provide access, its not a matter of 'a customer not paying L3' its a matter of L3 saying, lets hold the intarweb hostage, and see if we can extort some money for it to be back in running order.
My guess is, they are going to lose alot more money from this fiasco then they planned on making.
Seriosuly, like the first post says, everyone needs to call Level3, and state that this is unacceptable, they are highly endangering their public support, and generally just voice their opinion, after enough calls from consumers (and trust me, enough companies like persay ev1servers.net have probably mentioned it to them as they are gettgin 1000 issues with peeople not accessing their servers) etc | |
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