RRtraceroutes
@adelphia.net
| reply to jchin
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
rr-tampa.atdn.net [66.185.132.2]
rr-tampa.atdn.net [66.185.136.58]
rr-tampa.atdn.net [66.185.136.170]
rr-tampa.atdn.net [66.185.136.186]
ROADRUNNER.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.79.174.2]
pos5-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.129]
pos5-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.130]
pos6-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.133]
pos12-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.134]
pos6-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.137]
pos15-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.138]
pos11-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.141]
pos11-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.142] |
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PrMouse
@direcpc.com
| reply to dellsweig
"""dellsweig
nothing like an intellegent response....."""
Your telling me.. in the future try not trashing other peoples websites which you obviously have no knowledge of.
ProxyMouse.com does NOT collect ANY of its users information.. Thanks for the dark cloud WeatherMan (dellsweig) |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to astump
Omigosh !! I think you figured it all out !! |
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astump
join:2005-10-10
| reply to jchin
Think this has anything to do with the talks that Microsoft is wanting to aquire AOL/Time Warner, so they can compete more with Google? Maby Level 3 thinks that they should charge AOL/TimeWarner for using their services. It would be funny if Level 3 started implementing DRM with their "peers". |
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RRtraceroutes
@adelphia.net
|  reply to jchin
ROADRUNNER.gar1.Level3.net [4.78.148.2] [67.72.0.34] [67.72.0.58] [63.209.188.6] [67.29.172.70]
TIME-WARNER.gar1.Level3.net (63.209.188.2) [209.0.8.2]
ROADRUNNER.gar1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [4.78.148.6]
rr-albany.atdn.net [66.185.133.234]
ROADRUNNER.gar1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.79.72.50]
RR-Cincinnati.atdn.net [66.185.133.14]
ROADRUNNER.gar2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.78.234.10] [4.78.234.14] [4.78.234.18] [4.78.234.22]
rr-Houston.atdn.net [66.185.132.18]
ROADRUNNER.car1.Washington1.Level3.net [67.29.172.6] [67.29.172.10] [4.79.228.30]
RR-Charlotte.atdn.net [66.185.138.70]
rr-charlotte.atdn.net [66.185.132.34]
ROADRUNNER.car2.Weehawken1.Level3.net [63.208.104.6] [63.208.104.42]
RR-Queens.atdn.net [66.185.141.34]
ROADRUNNER.gar1.Tustin1.Level3.net [65.58.240.10] [65.58.240.14] [8.7.16.2]
rr-los-angeles.atdn.net [66.185.133.194]
ROADRUNNER.car2.Orlando1.Level3.net [4.79.118.18]
rr-orlando.atdn.net [66.185.136.174]
TIME-WARNER.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [209.0.96.2]
rr-tampa.atdn.net [66.185.136.58] |
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Travis299
join:2004-08-03
Cary, NC | reply to jchin
»www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2005/oct/1190999.htm
More info on the problem. |
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kklier
join:2004-02-04
Durham, NC
| reply to jchin
Supposedly TWC has this fixed. However port 80 traffic is not going throught to my house.
This thread was closed, but may be related
»[TWC] RR blocks website - howto circumvent
I changed my webserver to run on part 81 and am having no problems. As well as other services running on other ports.
Are others experiencing problems with traffic on port 80? |
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equiptec
join:2000-10-16
Apollo Beach, FL | reply to jchin
Was back for a day or so Gone again.
Earthlink via Brighthouse/RR. |
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Bytezboy
join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
2 edits | reply to natter
I noticed a lot of lag during the afternoon/evening.
Patter, in your example.. you got it the other way around.. Level3 is being the transit for sending all those porn from the cogent boxes, cogent should pay for the lopsided bandwidth ratio.. |
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natter
join:2000-12-18
Littleton, CO
| reply to jchin
3 f5.ba01.b000544-0.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.28.177) 10.141 ms 15.882 ms 6.886 ms
4 g0-1.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.165) 15.634 ms 10.325 ms 5.892 ms
5 p5-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.30) 26.325 ms 25.314 ms 21.906 ms
6 p5-0.core02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.37) 34.589 ms 27.232 ms 31.417 ms
7 p10-0.core01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.138) 70.652 ms 153.665 ms 230.360 ms
8 so-3-2-0.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.127.13) 32.817 ms 32.147 ms 36.856 ms
9 so-0-0-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.96.117) 33.220 ms 36.967 ms 28.092 ms
10 ae-0-0.bbr2.Denver1.Level3.net (64.159.1.114) 39.962 ms as-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net (209.247.11.21) 43.605 ms 42.979 ms
11 4.68.113.54 (4.68.113.54) 51.396 ms so-6-0.hsa1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.112.154) 41.300 ms 4.68.113.54 (4.68.113.54) 41.530 ms
12 se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net (209.245.16.18) 46.174 ms 41.640 ms 47.443 ms
Here is the deal. Cogent hosts thousands of porn sites because it's dirt cheap. Level3 had 100,000s of dial up, cable modem users. So, if you do the math, lots of porn
is going into level3's network. I think Level3 should pay Cogent for this traffic. It shouldn't be the other way around... |
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Just Bob
Premium
join:2000-08-13
Spring Hill, FL
| reply to DprssdIsntFn
said by DprssdIsntFn  :I have my mother hooked up with brighthouse networks {tampabay.rr.com} in Lakeland, FL. She has definitely been affected. I'm wondering if RR's peering is limited to newsgroups or if they never set up their NOC correctly for failover. I'm guessing from the marketspeak that they're only describing newsgroup peering. They do have exceptional newsgroup access. I'd suggest that their Tier 1 connections are essentially limited in nature even with the above quote. But I can't tell from here. Thanks for pointing that out.  You're welcome.  I'm also on Brighthouse and we have a choice of AOL or RoadRunner. They were both offline.
I have a vivid imagination and looking at these 2 maps I can imagine that Cogent was RoadRunner's fallback for Level3 problems here in Florida. When RR had to do a "high level network restructuring" they then would have no backbone access while they loaded new routing tables in every router they own.
»www.cogentco.com/htdocs/map.php
»www.level3.com/673.html
Here's another interesting link:
»navigators.com/isp.html
And yes, Level3 and Cogent are talking to each other for the moment:
Target Name: cogentco.com
IP: 38.9.51.20
Date/Time: 10/7/2005 10:15:37 PM
2 14 ms 11 ms [10.119.48.1]
3 16 ms 11 ms 653214hfc01.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.14.1]
4 14 ms 14 ms pos6-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.133]
5 13 ms 13 ms so-9-1.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [209.0.96.1]
6 17 ms 14 ms ae-1-53.mp1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.68.104.65]
7 -32764 ms 43 ms ae-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.128.210]
8 -32764 ms 46 ms so-6-0-0.edge2.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.3.62]
9 43 ms 44 ms cogent-level3-oc48.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.127.10]
10 48 ms 47 ms p11-0.core01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.201]
11 48 ms 46 ms p2-0.ca03.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.102]
12 47 ms 47 ms www.cogentco.com [38.9.51.20]
I hope you don't find if I deleted my own ip address.  |
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Rydian
@res.rr
| reply to jchin
.
Aw, geeze. I was wondering why images from photobucket weren't showing up on forums. As of posting this, I am able to access photobucket, I had just used a proxy to reach those sites earlier, but it made things slow. D: I'm in central florida, an RR customer, Sattellite BEach, and things were broken here, but seems to be all fixed like it was reported. Just posting because the people I saw in thsi thread from central florida were complaining about slightyl different sites being up and down at times, and were from orlando. |
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Kip patterson
Premium
join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH | reply to Travis299
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
TWC and RR do not use Cogent for internet access/transport. |
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Travis299
join:2004-08-03
Cary, NC
| reply to jchin
The clock is ticking and the ball is in the Cogent court. They have until 11/9 to pay up or the peering with L3 will be cut again. Hopefully TWC & RR will make some other arrangements besides using someone like Cogent for their internet access/transport.
»biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf0···ml?.v=17
I would not trust Cogent ever again no matter WTF they say. |
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rmartin123
join:2000-06-19
Dayton, OH
clubs: | reply to Karl Bode
Seems to be ok for me at least for now. Defintely was not earlier today. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to Hall
quote:
I think Level3 is a HUGE "partner" with RR. People from all over the country, though it did seem that people in CA were notably absent, were posting about problems.
Agreed. A significant upgrade from a broad denial of any impact, though. |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode :I wrote the author who's a good guy, and they got a fresh quote, and the story was reworded: » www.isp-planet.com/business/2005···l_3.html quote:
" Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
"Level 3 carries SOME of our internet traffic...." hmpf...I'd say Level 3 carries at least 80% of all RR traffic. At least from Hawaii, it is almost all Level 3. Practically no ATDN any longer (until the re-routing late last night).
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
 ·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to Karl Bode
I really don't intend to nitpick everything this guy says, but I'm not sure how accurate the bolded part is:
quote:
"As of 11 PM last night we had established new Internet routes to the affected sites. Our Road Runner customers are no longer affected by the disagreement between Level 3 and Cogent. Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
I think Level3 is a HUGE "partner" with RR. People from all over the country, though it did seem that people in CA were notably absent, were posting about problems. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to Hall
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
I wrote the author who's a good guy, and they got a fresh quote, and the story was reworded:
»www.isp-planet.com/business/2005···l_3.html
quote:
"As of 11 PM last night we had established new Internet routes to the affected sites. Our Road Runner customers are no longer affected by the disagreement between Level 3 and Cogent. Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
That's much better. |
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