Kip patterson
Premium
join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH | reply to jchin
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
Level3 reconnected Cogent at 3:40 PM EDT. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to Karl Bode
TW's spokesman better check with his network engineers then and ask them why they posted the issue to RR's network status page... (see a post from me early on in this thread) |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| He should also read the 2:23 update from Cogent at their network status page:
»status.cogentco.com/
I think he was trying to play semantic games to suggest it wasn't something happening directly on their network, but to say their customers weren't impacted is a lie/incorrect. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
 ·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Personally, I don't think he knows what he's talking about...  He's probably just a marketing type. He may use RR at home but isn't the type to determine why he can't read Drudgereport or other affected sites too. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to Kip patterson
said by Kip patterson  :Nope, it is once again down. ...and they're back up again  Lucky for me, I guess, I'm not aware of any sites that I personally frequent that are affected. |
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sunsfires
Premium
join:2004-12-12
Luzerne, PA
| reply to jchin
Level3 and Cogent Turned there Peering ON
cogent-level3-oc48.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.127.10)
cogent-level3-ge.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.111.42)
cogent-level3-ge.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.111.46)
cogent-level3-oc48.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.127.18)
cogent-level3-oc48.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.127.14)
cogent-level3-oc48.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.127.18)
cogent-level3-oc48.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.127.202)
cogent-Chicago 4.68.127.130 |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to Hall
I wrote the author who's a good guy, and they got a fresh quote, and the story was reworded:
»www.isp-planet.com/business/2005···l_3.html
quote:
"As of 11 PM last night we had established new Internet routes to the affected sites. Our Road Runner customers are no longer affected by the disagreement between Level 3 and Cogent. Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
That's much better. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
I really don't intend to nitpick everything this guy says, but I'm not sure how accurate the bolded part is:
quote:
"As of 11 PM last night we had established new Internet routes to the affected sites. Our Road Runner customers are no longer affected by the disagreement between Level 3 and Cogent. Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
I think Level3 is a HUGE "partner" with RR. People from all over the country, though it did seem that people in CA were notably absent, were posting about problems. |
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode :I wrote the author who's a good guy, and they got a fresh quote, and the story was reworded: » www.isp-planet.com/business/2005···l_3.html quote:
" Level 3 carries some of our internet traffic, therefore some of our customers had been prevented from visiting sites hosted by Cogent."
"Level 3 carries SOME of our internet traffic...." hmpf...I'd say Level 3 carries at least 80% of all RR traffic. At least from Hawaii, it is almost all Level 3. Practically no ATDN any longer (until the re-routing late last night).
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to Hall
quote:
I think Level3 is a HUGE "partner" with RR. People from all over the country, though it did seem that people in CA were notably absent, were posting about problems.
Agreed. A significant upgrade from a broad denial of any impact, though. |
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rmartin123
join:2000-06-19
Dayton, OH
clubs: | Seems to be ok for me at least for now. Defintely was not earlier today. |
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Travis299
join:2004-08-03
Cary, NC
| reply to jchin
The clock is ticking and the ball is in the Cogent court. They have until 11/9 to pay up or the peering with L3 will be cut again. Hopefully TWC & RR will make some other arrangements besides using someone like Cogent for their internet access/transport.
»biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf0···ml?.v=17
I would not trust Cogent ever again no matter WTF they say. |
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Kip patterson
Premium
join:2000-10-23
Columbus, OH | TWC and RR do not use Cogent for internet access/transport. |
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Rydian
@res.rr
| reply to jchin
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Aw, geeze. I was wondering why images from photobucket weren't showing up on forums. As of posting this, I am able to access photobucket, I had just used a proxy to reach those sites earlier, but it made things slow. D: I'm in central florida, an RR customer, Sattellite BEach, and things were broken here, but seems to be all fixed like it was reported. Just posting because the people I saw in thsi thread from central florida were complaining about slightyl different sites being up and down at times, and were from orlando. |
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Just Bob
Premium
join:2000-08-13
Spring Hill, FL
| reply to DprssdIsntFn
Re: [TWC] Level3 breaks public peering
said by DprssdIsntFn :I have my mother hooked up with brighthouse networks {tampabay.rr.com} in Lakeland, FL. She has definitely been affected. I'm wondering if RR's peering is limited to newsgroups or if they never set up their NOC correctly for failover. I'm guessing from the marketspeak that they're only describing newsgroup peering. They do have exceptional newsgroup access. I'd suggest that their Tier 1 connections are essentially limited in nature even with the above quote. But I can't tell from here. Thanks for pointing that out. You're welcome.  I'm also on Brighthouse and we have a choice of AOL or RoadRunner. They were both offline.
I have a vivid imagination and looking at these 2 maps I can imagine that Cogent was RoadRunner's fallback for Level3 problems here in Florida. When RR had to do a "high level network restructuring" they then would have no backbone access while they loaded new routing tables in every router they own.
»www.cogentco.com/htdocs/map.php
»www.level3.com/673.html
Here's another interesting link:
»navigators.com/isp.html
And yes, Level3 and Cogent are talking to each other for the moment:
Target Name: cogentco.com
IP: 38.9.51.20
Date/Time: 10/7/2005 10:15:37 PM
2 14 ms 11 ms [10.119.48.1]
3 16 ms 11 ms 653214hfc01.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.14.1]
4 14 ms 14 ms pos6-0-OC-192.tampflerl-rtr3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.8.133]
5 13 ms 13 ms so-9-1.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [209.0.96.1]
6 17 ms 14 ms ae-1-53.mp1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.68.104.65]
7 -32764 ms 43 ms ae-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.128.210]
8 -32764 ms 46 ms so-6-0-0.edge2.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.3.62]
9 43 ms 44 ms cogent-level3-oc48.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.127.10]
10 48 ms 47 ms p11-0.core01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.201]
11 48 ms 46 ms p2-0.ca03.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.102]
12 47 ms 47 ms www.cogentco.com [38.9.51.20]
I hope you don't find if I deleted my own ip address.  |
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natter
join:2000-12-18
Littleton, CO
| reply to jchin
3 f5.ba01.b000544-0.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.28.177) 10.141 ms 15.882 ms 6.886 ms
4 g0-1.core01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.165) 15.634 ms 10.325 ms 5.892 ms
5 p5-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.30) 26.325 ms 25.314 ms 21.906 ms
6 p5-0.core02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.37) 34.589 ms 27.232 ms 31.417 ms
7 p10-0.core01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.138) 70.652 ms 153.665 ms 230.360 ms
8 so-3-2-0.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.127.13) 32.817 ms 32.147 ms 36.856 ms
9 so-0-0-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.96.117) 33.220 ms 36.967 ms 28.092 ms
10 ae-0-0.bbr2.Denver1.Level3.net (64.159.1.114) 39.962 ms as-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net (209.247.11.21) 43.605 ms 42.979 ms
11 4.68.113.54 (4.68.113.54) 51.396 ms so-6-0.hsa1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.112.154) 41.300 ms 4.68.113.54 (4.68.113.54) 41.530 ms
12 se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net (209.245.16.18) 46.174 ms 41.640 ms 47.443 ms
Here is the deal. Cogent hosts thousands of porn sites because it's dirt cheap. Level3 had 100,000s of dial up, cable modem users. So, if you do the math, lots of porn
is going into level3's network. I think Level3 should pay Cogent for this traffic. It shouldn't be the other way around... |
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Bytezboy
join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
2 edits | I noticed a lot of lag during the afternoon/evening.
Patter, in your example.. you got it the other way around.. Level3 is being the transit for sending all those porn from the cogent boxes, cogent should pay for the lopsided bandwidth ratio.. |
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equiptec
join:2000-10-16
Apollo Beach, FL | reply to jchin
Was back for a day or so Gone again.
Earthlink via Brighthouse/RR. |
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kklier
join:2004-02-04
Durham, NC
| reply to jchin
Supposedly TWC has this fixed. However port 80 traffic is not going throught to my house.
This thread was closed, but may be related
»[TWC] RR blocks website - howto circumvent
I changed my webserver to run on part 81 and am having no problems. As well as other services running on other ports.
Are others experiencing problems with traffic on port 80? |
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