Rob A
Same Old Jets
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Pompton Plains, NJ | It'll never work
No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. |
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Derch
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Tulsa, OK | I agree, nothing can beat FIOS. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Once speed reaches a certain level, higher speeds mean nothing except to hard core teenage video porn downloaders. At some point, the price becomes more important than continual speed upgrades. And for 95% of the internet customers those numbers have already been reached.
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davidcb13
join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ
| reply to Rob A
said by Rob A  :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Theres no reason cable cant support 20/2 The technolgey should be able to handle these speeds |
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Time
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said by Rob A :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable.
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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| reply to Rob A
As a former Optimum Online customer, they can advertise whatever they want. Unless you're on your own damned node and the weather is nice, and your signals are just right (according to the maintenance guy that shows up at your house, but not to Tech Support on the phone who sent the maintenance guy there to begin with), I can't imagine that a 20mb package deployed in Fios areas will help matters.
I've been so happy with my Fios since May; no caps, no downtime, max speed all the time.
All this testing and annoucements and trademarks (BOOST) for 20mbit which most people won't even see? What Verizon counter this relatively quickly.
As for Oyster Bay, the best thing Verizon can do besides watch a failed attempt to get 50mbit service there by CV is to get my damn cell to work there.  |
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail : teenage video porn downloaders. Please stop using stereotypes! I download porn all the time and am not a teenager. 
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not quite right
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join:2001-06-23
Puyallup, WA
| said by click_310 :said by TKJunkMail : teenage video porn downloaders. Please stop using stereotypes! I download porn all the time and am not a teenager. *LOL* Thanks for the laugh Click you made my day! 
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Steely
Dumped Comcast for FiOS
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join:2000-10-15
Princeton Junction, NJ
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :At some point, the price becomes more important than continual speed upgrades. And for 95% of the internet customers those numbers have already been reached. I agree. Most people with cable or DSL already pay more than they want to and are basically satisfied with their speeds. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to Time
said by Time :said by Rob A :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable. Here's a little note for ya. THE WHOLE INTERNET IS SHARED. You are as slow as your weakest point and right now cables is much lower then Fibers.
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davidcb13
join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ
| said by BosstonesOwn :said by Time :said by Rob A :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable. Here's a little note for ya. THE WHOLE INTERNET IS SHARED. You are as slow as your weakest point and right now cables is much lower then Fibers. 20 mbps is the same 20mbps over cable or over fiber. The medium makes no difference. Fiber maybe able to acheive higher speeds but at this point it dosent matter |
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Dr Demento
I Vant Blud
join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
1 edit | reply to Jeffrey
And as a former OOL user myself, since I am in PA now I can tell you that I usually got 9/900 out of my 10/1 connection with virtually no downtime. And for people that are having problems on OOL are either on a really crowded node, which is seems apparent since you're in Long Island, you were truly downloading to much or just one of those victims of circumstance.
P.S: A crowded Node or server can happen on any ISP or connection medium. It could even happen on Fios if Verizon ever mismanages it.;)
And to anyone who said cable is the weaker link, yours is still weaker than the guy appointed to manage an OC-48, do you feel comfy now? |
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SirXILE
The SolWar 2-1
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join:2001-02-24
Brooklyn, NY
·Optimum Online
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said by click_310 :said by TKJunkMail : teenage video porn downloaders. Please stop using stereotypes! I download porn all the time and am not a teenager. Agreed. Even though I have girlfriends. I still download and look at them.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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said by davidcb13 :said by BosstonesOwn :said by Time :said by Rob A :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable. Here's a little note for ya. THE WHOLE INTERNET IS SHARED. You are as slow as your weakest point and right now cables is much lower then Fibers. 20 mbps is the same 20mbps over cable or over fiber. The medium makes no difference. Fiber maybe able to acheive higher speeds but at this point it dosent matter True but you are failing to realize the limitations of the equipment moving the data not the medium itself.
Answer these 2 questions. How much throughput per channel on cable nodes and how much per channel on fiber ?
Then rethink the statement.
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dscline
join:2001-09-01
Atlanta, GA
| reply to BosstonesOwn
You seem to be countering your own point. Yes, the whole internet is shared, and yes, you are limited by the weakest point. But even with cable, your home connection is often not the weakest point. I "only" have 8MB cable, yet my download speeds are still frequently limited by the source. Very few of MY common everyday sites can saturate my pipe. Of course, that only holds true for downloads. Pure download speed is not what's attractive about FIOS. It's the upload speed, and lack of a download cap.
But I think an earlier sentiment holds true: for most of the market, the differences aren't great. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
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·Optimum Online
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| reply to Dr Demento
said by Dr Demento :And as a former OOL user myself, since I am in PA now I can tell you that I usually got 9/900 out of my 10/1 connection with virtually no downtime. And for people that are having problems on OOL are either on a really crowded node, which is seems apparent since you're in Long Island, you were truly downloading to much or just one of those victims of circumstance. P.S: A crowded Node or server can happen on any ISP or connection medium. It could even happen on Fios if Verizon ever mismanages it.;) And to anyone who said cable is the weaker link, yours is still weaker than the guy appointed to manage an OC-48, do you feel comfy now? I also got roughly 9/1 out of my OOL connection from 1999 through 2003. After 2003, it got steadily worse.
I don't buy the argument "downloading too much". That's a weak, catch-all phrase that depends upon opinion, and in no way can that be used to describe general degredation of a service for 2 years.
You're just jealous because you don't have Fios. 
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Jeffrey :said by Dr Demento :And as a former OOL user myself, since I am in PA now I can tell you that I usually got 9/900 out of my 10/1 connection with virtually no downtime. And for people that are having problems on OOL are either on a really crowded node, which is seems apparent since you're in Long Island, you were truly downloading to much or just one of those victims of circumstance. P.S: A crowded Node or server can happen on any ISP or connection medium. It could even happen on Fios if Verizon ever mismanages it.;) And to anyone who said cable is the weaker link, yours is still weaker than the guy appointed to manage an OC-48, do you feel comfy now? You're just jealous because you don't have Fios. I remember when people used to say that about OOL
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davidcb13
join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ
| reply to BosstonesOwn
said by BosstonesOwn :said by davidcb13 :said by BosstonesOwn :said by Time :said by Rob A :No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle. Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable. Here's a little note for ya. THE WHOLE INTERNET IS SHARED. You are as slow as your weakest point and right now cables is much lower then Fibers. 20 mbps is the same 20mbps over cable or over fiber. The medium makes no difference. Fiber maybe able to acheive higher speeds but at this point it dosent matter True but you are failing to realize the limitations of the equipment moving the data not the medium itself. Answer these 2 questions. How much throughput per channel on cable nodes and how much per channel on fiber ? Then rethink the statement. Well I do realize that cable companies over sell their nodes thus limiting the bandwith but if cablevision were to put more nodes out there shouldnt be a problem.... But I do agree with you fiber is the future but how far away that future is. Is up to how the cable companies run their systems |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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| reply to Derch
said by Derch :I agree, nothing can beat FIOS. Considering FIOS is new and does still ultimately cost money to run, how certain is everyone that Verizon will not be capping their users? |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Pretty certain as they haven't done it with DSL. It seems to me ISPs cap because of bottlenecks, not overall traffic at the headend. Cable's topology lends itself to costly bottlenecks in the field so they cap or have tons of trouble when they try to offer their dense subscriber areas 10Mb+ service.
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