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GOLFnSUN
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Re: Send me the letter!
said by packetscan  :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
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The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
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said by GOLFnSUN :Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. The FTC does regulate how products and services are advertised. For some reason they are not going after the "unlimited" issue.
In the 70's they went hog wild against the stereo makers for truth in advertising specs (frequency range, distortion, wattage) , but since then seem to have avoided the new technology field. | |
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said by Minister : quote:
The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
Oh give me a break. It all comes down to who has a more powerful lawyer. I do, however, agree that Verizon has a double standard here. If they advertise it as unlimited, why would they care what it's used for?
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Fleeting | Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine.
Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. | |
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| said by Minister :Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine. Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. Well, that's exactly the problem with Verizon's advertising. They could advertise all the restrictions right in potential customers' faces, but do you honestly think that they would sign up as many people for limited service as they would for unlimited one. Fine print or not, it still sounds like a bait-and-switch to me, and I intend to steer clear of Verizon for the time being.
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. So would it be okay if you were a supermarket and you sent out a flyer advertising everything as free, and put all the price tags on the shelfs saying free, then when everyone went to buy stuff say "oh i'm sorry, if you'll read the fine print free really means the msrp of the items". | |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. LOL ya theres a LOT alright rofl......
dictionary.com----
un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td)
adj.
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol
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1 edit | said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court.
Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open --
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So you do see it..
They are lying in order to get more people to sign up..
Bait and switch comes to mind.
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| Verizon is offering unlimited usage within the confines of its TOS.
As long as your usage of the service remains within the TOS, you can use the service as much as you want with impunity.
Use the service outside of the TOS the usage is no longer unlimited.
Why is that so hard?
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P.S. It's no different than unlimited mileage for a car rental. The TOS for the rental car details what the car can be used for and where it can be used. If you don't abide by those rules, the mileage is not unlimted.
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court. Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open Yeah well they didn't use a synonym. They used the word unlimited. They are lying. | |
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said by GOLFnSUN :The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. What's next, will you help us define "is"?
Seriously, do you really believe what you type? Unlimited means what the dictionary says it means. I don't care about the fine print. If your ads say one thing and the contract says the opposite, someone will sue your ass eventually. I hope Spitzer gets in on this. | |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court. Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open Ya however the deffinition IS THEE deffinition of the word. Just as murder is the killing of one with intent.
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tsu9
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Then, obviously, the mileage is limited. By definition, it cannot be unlimited, if there are strings attached.
Marketing needs to learn. | |
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However..
Reading the TOS you can only send / receive email and browse the web. So with that said should the advertisement be for web and email access because you aren't getting "broad band access".
You are getting speedy access to web pages and email.
How ever you slice it they are taking the customer for a ride. | |
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No. Obviously the service is unlimited, PROVIDED you abide by the terms and conditions.
Follow along here:
A) Advertisement: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prom···iniStart
states unlimited w/2 year Customer Agreement
That means WITHOUT the Customer Agreement, there is no service.
B) So what does the Customer Agreement state? quote:
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess:
Subject to VZAccess Acceptable Use Policy, available on www.verizonwireless.com. NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess is for individual use only and is not for resale. We reserve right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Verizon Wireless reserves the right to protect its network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
The cancellation letter was sent to someone who, by his own admission, was using the service in a manner inconsistent with the terms and conditions of the service. As long as you remain within the terms of the agreement, the usage is unlimited. It's not hard to grasp.
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That's somewhat of an oxymoron... unlimited with limitations. | |
Staplegun
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Hello. Read the definition. "Having or seeming to have no boundaries".
Does everyone understand "seeming to have no boundaries"? | |
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said by NGOwner :Verizon is offering unlimited usage within the confines of its TOS. As long as your usage of the service remains within the TOS, you can use the service as much as you want with impunity. P.S. It's no different than unlimited mileage for a car rental. The TOS for the rental car details what the car can be used for and where it can be used. If you don't abide by those rules, the mileage is not unlimted. Though in the scenario you've offered, any car-rental advertisements will specify unlimited mileage and nothing else. So any potential customer wouldn't necessarily expect to drive on the wrong side of the road at 200mph. 
Verizon, in its advertising its EVDO service as simply "unlimited," is implying that the things one would normally do with a standard internet connection (watch movies, download/play games, stream videos, etc.) would be available in a similarly unlimited capacity via EVDO.
Now if VZ said "Unlimited Minutes" or "Unlimited Connection Time" or "Unlimited e-mail transfers" or something to that effect, then it'd be a different story. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't even think that their commercials even have the standard "fine print" that car ads or drug ads do.
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