newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| low on budget middle of nowhere »www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/···atId=372
can i use two of this access point back to back (crossover cable)to work as a repeater attach to a 15dBi grid antenna.
This is only to provide a internet connection to a school on the other side of the hill???i know consumer grade access point tends to lockup ...i'm merely doing this for free to help those kids.i'm sure they wouldnt mind going up on the top of that hill once in a while to reset that thing  if you guys have any other ideas pls point me to the right directions...as i said low on budget middle of nowhere...thanks guys | |
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John Galt
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| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by newbiewisp  :This is only to provide a internet connection to a school on the other side of the hill??? Use one of these:
»www.deliberant.com/estore/pc-27-···ent.aspx
in the WDS mode. Of course, you still need something to send to this and something at the school to receive it.
Feel free to ask more questions if you need to...
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Centerville, IN | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere Yes, yes the Deliberants. Worth the price and easy to setup. There is also a Deliberant forum at »www.deliberant.us/forums/ you need more help, or ask here.
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| thanks for the quick reply...wipop is a airpoint xo...the school has 2 computers,which ill probably just hook a wireless pci card(with 15Dbi antenna) and a network card and connect the second computer to that.
To save money i was also thinking of just buying a repeater with 15 dBi omni antenna...but i'm not so sure if the signal can be retransmit from the distance of 2km...deliberant is great but please keep i mind that $180us is alot of money...i know im asking alot but please just think basic...low on budget middle of nowhere..thanks everyone.
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join:2004-06-15
Oilton, OK
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere You could use one Deliberant 2300 in router mode with a 20 switch and hook both PC's up to it. Simple and very cost effective. I am assuming you own the WISP and want to hookup the school. What are you using for your customers? Just use one of the radios you already use. I know it costs you a bit, but the money you spend to do it right will get you some customers in the end.
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere my dillema is not the school..I'm trying to come up with a solution that enables me to send signals over the
top of a small hill, and down the other side.Repeaters cut the signal strength in half and im afraid that the consumer grade repeaters are not strong enough even with a 15 dBi omni antenna.The distance between my ap to the hill is about 2km and from the hill to school is about 2-3km.Is there a repeater that would do this task using only an omni antenna???im kinda repeating myself,i'm not too familiar with repeaters...thank you again. | |
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John Galt
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| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by newbiewisp :my dillema is not the school..I'm trying to come up with a solution that enables me to send signals over the top of a small hill, and down the other side.Repeaters cut the signal strength in half and im afraid that the consumer grade repeaters are not strong enough even with a 15 dBi omni antenna.The distance between my ap to the hill is about 2km and from the hill to school is about 2-3km.Is there a repeater that would do this task using only an omni antenna???im kinda repeating myself,i'm not too familiar with repeaters...thank you again. Actually, they cut the data rate in half...
You can do what you want to do, as long as both of the antennas "look" at the repeater and have sufficient signal strength.
Where is this school located? Town? City? Coordinates?
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere From the help of this forum i was able to put up a 40 feet tower on a top of a building using a 2" pipe with 12 cables for support.Set the airpoint xo and a 15 dBi antenna on the top of it.Mounted a satellite on the top of that building,while working,no safety nets ,no safety cables and it's about 45 degrees hot outside..connected 20 clients using only a pci wireless card using a 14 dBi backfire antenna.Being said all that...is because i like what John has just said..."The bottom line is that you have to stick to it and make it work...no matter what it takes."
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John Galt
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| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by newbiewisp :From the help of this forum i was able to put up a 40 feet tower on a top of a building using a 2" pipe with 12 cables for support.Set the airpoint xo and a 15 dBi antenna on the top of it.Mounted a satellite on the top of that building,while working,no safety nets ,no safety cables and it's about 45 degrees hot outside..connected 20 clients using only a pci wireless card using a 14 dBi backfire antenna.Being said all that...is because i like what John has just said..."The bottom line is that you have to stick to it and make it work...no matter what it takes." Thanks John lol!!! You're scaring me...!
You need to take a picture of this "arrangement" and post them here so we can see.
While I support the "do-it-yourself' way of doing things. I am concerned that you may be getting a bit ahead of the "power curve" here.
Forty feet of two-inch pipe falling down is NOT a trivial matter...I know this for a fact!
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere yes i would love to post some pics here...i'll show u some of the crazy things we tried to achieve hehe!!! oh did i mention while putting up that tower and all that cables...there are power lines around us this kind of working conditions i can probably get sued in US if someone get hurt...but this is a third world country people don't mind get a shock of electricity sometimes in conclusion i think ill try to buy a repeater use a 15dBi omni, hopefully both side will be able to catch the signal...bytheway just to make u guys laugh a little...the repeater is going to be powered by a 2x20amp battery it will give us a few days to power it..since there is no power on the top of the hill,the battery needs to be replaced every few days by a newly charged battery..lol...no solar nor windpower(too expensive)
Always Live Life to the Fullest...Don't ever quit believing in yourself,
As long as you believe you can,
You will have reason for trying.
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
1 edit | I had to put a chicken wire around the xo the next door kid found a new target for his slingshot. | |
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vincentfox
join:2003-03-18
Davis, CA
| A high-gain omni is usually a very POOR choice due to it's thin disk of high-gain. It's only a few degrees thick so it's easy to be under or over that plane and not be getting good signal.
It is usually preferred to use directional antenna and 2 radio units at repeater stations.
If you must use a single radio and omni, then use a medium-gain omni since it gives you a broader beam. Then use high-gain directionals on the other ends to hit the omni. | |
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harvSki
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join:2004-03-09
Suffolk, UK
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere We have had some successes with Dlink 900 + APs but not without modification (getting the soldering iron out). Have found much better results with Osbridge units for the extra money they make the service really work properly.
I would have thought that running an access point from a car / truck battery you would be able to get a week or more. I'm sure John G will chime in with some calcs
Good luck with your endevours
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere well yeah if you use truck batteries...now try to go up the hill with two of those on your back..lol...we will be using motorcycle batteries...much easier to carry. | |
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harvSki
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Suffolk, UK | I'm sure a big strong chap like you could manage a car battery
I was imagining that there was a road to the top, all the hills round my way are <70m | |
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere no road it's a snake infested hill...no joking.a soon as i get the pics you'll see | |
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
3 edits | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere here's some pics ill post the tower pic tomorrow. | |
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vincentfox
join:2003-03-18
Davis, CA
2 edits | The old 900AP+ was a good unit, 5V operation sipped power pretty lightly.
Recommend you look for "deep cycle" batteries. Car batteries are not built to be discharged very deeply, and will go bad quickly if you do that. For a dollars more you can get ones that can handle lots of full discharge cycles and you will save money in the long run by not having to replace them so often. Even your basic trolling-motor battery from WalMart would be a better buy than a car battery. They make gel-cell batteries for alarm systems and the like, those are also very good as far as money and light weight. | |
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| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by vincentfox :Even your basic trolling-motor battery from WalMart would be a better buy than a car battery. And the nearest Walmart from his location is where...??
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
2 edits | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere about 13124.755829684958 km more or less | |
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bito
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Atlanta, GA
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by John Galt :Where is this project located? Your location says Montreal, QC...this looks a little more temperate than that... Ha! I was thinking the same thing. The palm trees threw me off | |
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
| these are equipments available to us...please give me the best choice in this categories that would likely to work...
i'm doing this for free so i don't have much of a choice.thanks | |
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John Galt
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Happy Camp | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere Well, given THOSE choices...
8 dB gain antenna on the hilltop and 19 dB panel at the school.
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join:2003-03-17
USA | just about to say that, doesnt look like montreal to me, i dont think montreal reached 45c ever, maybe 45f! | |
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join:2004-06-13
Canada
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere oh! its the south shore of Montreal....i pick up my banana's from there year round.
I have a bridge to sell you also, its called the Champlain bridge. Take your pick: Ottawa or Montreal. With this bridge you will always have a link!
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC
4 edits | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere ur funny...champlain bridge would not be a good link..so much traffic | |
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freedom357
join:2005-08-16
Vienna, ON | i'm moving to montreal!!!!!!!!!!
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kewlkeed
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Knowlton, QC | Champlain bridge... Don't think traffic is the problem... More like collapsing when a single mosquito lands on it. Love the quality of thoes Quebec roads!
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere NOT TO MENTION OUR OLYMPIC STADIUM IT COST US OVER A BILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S FALLING ON OUR HEADS | |
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freedom357
join:2005-08-16
Vienna, ON | Is there a step by step guide anywhere that i can learn how to install a large mast like that??
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kewlkeed
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join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | Looks good. Man I'd hate to service that thing if it ever acted up though.
LOL yeah the "big O" is a deathtrap (Was just there this weekend for the monster truck show, could have sworn I saw pieces of the roof falling down) | |
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PersComp
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join:2005-08-17
Cayce, SC
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by kewlkeed :Looks good. Man I'd hate to service that thing if it ever acted up though. It's really not bad to raise and lower. Once the guys are all set, I just drop it down to the 10' level, do what I need and then raise it back up. As long as you can get it down to the 10' level, you can reach it from a 6' step ladder and be 2-3 steps from the top. Tweak a guy if needed and all done within an hour or so. The whole thing only weighs about 50lbs. | |
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Believer
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Baltimore, MD | What were the problems you were having with directional antennas on the guyed mast? Wind blowing them out of alignment? | |
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superdog
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Lebanon, PA
| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by Believer :What were the problems you were having with directional antennas on the guyed mast? Wind blowing them out of alignment? Nope. Just getting to them period. The only way to align a directional antenna, especially on a PtP link, is to get up there with it. This is next to impossible with a mast, unless You do something dangerous like we used to and prop an extension ladder against it or use scaffolding, which takes 2 hours to erect just to spend 10 minutes mounting and aligning an antenna.
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Believer
join:2002-07-04
Baltimore, MD
| The reason I ask is that we are putting up a 2ft panel next week attached to a 40ft guyed mast. It's the subscriber end of a PtMP link at 7.5 miles so we weren't planning on having a lot of problems once it's up.
The bottom 7ft of the mast will be attached to a chimney and we were planning on rotating it at the bottom to align it. Since the mast easily spins inside the guy rings we didn't think it would be a problem. Once it's attached and tightened at the base, I wouldn't expect it to go out of alignment.
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| Re: low on budget middle of nowhere said by Believer :Anything we should look out for? Yep!, The up/down tilt adjustment?. You will have to "guesstimate" the right tilt. Depending on how high the gain is, this may be a PITA??
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Believer
join:2002-07-04
Baltimore, MD
| Finally got the 40' guyed mast up today. Two foot panel attached to an Alvarion VL SU. | |
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newbiewisp
join:2004-11-19
Montreal, QC | Re: low on budget middle of nowhere pretty pic nice!!! | |
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newbiewisp
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Montreal, QC
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Believer
join:2002-07-04
Baltimore, MD
| The customer is hoping that's all you will notice! It's a country club so they didn't want to have members complaining. Oddly, they were against a flag pole but where considering having a tower built instead. This was the quickest and easiest option. (For them!) | |
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