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KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR

TOR & Privoxy

Can anyone offer some insight on how to set these up with the following:

1. Zywall 2
2. ZoneAlarm

Haven't yet learned about creating rules in the firewall. In fact, the Z2 is running default settings for everything. Seems like some rules would have to setup for these (TOR & Privoxy)?

Would it be better to post this in the Zywall forum?

Thanks in advance for your wonderful help!


KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR
I know, bad form following up on my own post.
but anyone?

I always equated privacy with security. I know that these proggies are pretty new, but I would think that somebody here has tinkered a bit?

Thanks

jp10558
Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY

reply to KahunaNui
What is the actual problem? I use Outpost Pro, and previously Sygate without issue with TOR and Privoxy. Just let the "chain" work - should be as simple as allow internet access + allow server on a few pop-up dialogs from the firewall.
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KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR

said by jp10558 See Profile :

What is the actual problem? I use Outpost Pro, and previously Sygate without issue with TOR and Privoxy. Just let the "chain" work - should be as simple as allow internet access + allow server on a few pop-up dialogs from the firewall.
Thanks! Sorry, I haven't been able to check back as often as i'd like to.

Well, more concerned about the Zywall. But it seems default settings allow everything to work just fine. Since you mentioned the software firewall apps, wondering if i should grant Zone Alarm Server rights to TOR and/or Privoxy? When I do it opens up more ports: 22 SSH, 80 HTTP, 443 HTTPS, and 113 IDENT shows up as "closed". As it is, only port 22 (SSH) is open.

1. Am i at risk with these open ports?
2. Seems like running as Server would increase speed by allowing Privoxy more to work with?

Thanks again!

jp10558
Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY

said by KahunaNui See Profile :

said by jp10558 See Profile :

What is the actual problem? I use Outpost Pro, and previously Sygate without issue with TOR and Privoxy. Just let the "chain" work - should be as simple as allow internet access + allow server on a few pop-up dialogs from the firewall.
Thanks! Sorry, I haven't been able to check back as often as i'd like to.

Well, more concerned about the Zywall. But it seems default settings allow everything to work just fine. Since you mentioned the software firewall apps, wondering if i should grant Zone Alarm Server rights to TOR and/or Privoxy? When I do it opens up more ports: 22 SSH, 80 HTTP, 443 HTTPS, and 113 IDENT shows up as "closed". As it is, only port 22 (SSH) is open.

1. Am i at risk with these open ports?
2. Seems like running as Server would increase speed by allowing Privoxy more to work with?

Thanks again!
Well, it's obvious I know little about ZA now adays, and previous postings will indicate my disdain for their products.

Basically, allowing server ought not randomly open up ports like you indicate - it should be limited to what the app uses. Depending on how ZA works (does it work on the localhost adapter or not - Sygate doesn't while Outpost does) it might need to allow server on TOR and Privoxy because local programs need to be able to "contact" them. However, Privoxy should not need server access on outside adapters. This all depends on how granular the permissions are, IIRC, ZAP ~3-4.5 would allow rather specific rules under advanced in the configurations.

TOR will need outside server permission because it is sort of like bittorrent, it gets you onto a pass around network, and the "fee" is passing on other people's requests occasionally.

All in all, I would NOT recommend running two firewalls at the same time. It usually causes very weird issues with internet access. Let me plug Outpost Pro one more time (lol).
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KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR

 
said by jp10558 See Profile :

Well, it's obvious I know little about ZA now adays, and previous postings will indicate my disdain for their products.
Interesting. While i've used many versions the only version that didn't give me headaches was the original 1.0 Pro! Of course that doesn't work with XP, so when and if i ever decide to use XP (using W2KPro now) i'll have to look into another soft firewall. I tend to lean towards Sygate or Outpost, the ones you mentioned.

Basically, allowing server ought not randomly open up ports like you indicate - it should be limited to what the app uses. Depending on how ZA works (does it work on the localhost adapter or not - Sygate doesn't while Outpost does)
Not sure about this.

...Privoxy should not need server access on outside adapters. This all depends on how granular the permissions are, IIRC, ZAP ~3-4.5 would allow rather specific rules under advanced in the configurations.

TOR will need outside server permission because it is sort of like bittorrent, it gets you onto a pass around network, and the "fee" is passing on other people's requests occasionally.

All in all, I would NOT recommend running two firewalls at the same time.
Sorry, i'm not sure what you mean by "outside adapters" and "outside server permission". As far as using two firewalls, i use a hardware firewall w/router (Zywall2) and the ZA Pro version 1 (software).

I'd like to again thank you for your time.


KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR
Whoops! Sorry, I just noticed i goofed the quoting code!!

jp10558
Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY

reply to KahunaNui
said by KahunaNui See Profile :

said by jp10558 See Profile :

Sorry, i'm not sure what you mean by "outside adapters" and "outside server permission". As far as using two firewalls, i use a hardware firewall w/router (Zywall2) and the ZA Pro version 1 (software).

I'd like to again thank you for your time.
Well, I may not have been perfectly clear. Basically there are logical and physical network adapters. On most PCs there is only one physical network adapter. (laptops often have 2, one wireless, one ethernet).

However, each adapter will have at least one "virtual" adapter - this is mostly a thought construct to help understand how things work, and isn't technically true... This "virtual" adapter will be the loopback adapter. This may be the same accross all physical adapters on a PC, I'm not sure, and for our purposes doesn't matter.

Various software can use the loopback adapter (namely localhost or 127.0.0.1) as if it was a remote system - TOR *and* Privoxy do this. So, some firewalls (Outpost) treat the loopback adapter as if it IS a remote server, needing it's own permissions and applications need "server" access to accept "outside" connections on this adapter. Others (Sygate, Windows Firewall) do not, and hence no special permissions are necessary.

What I'm getting at is Sygate and the Windows firewall leave a hole there, because *if* you use something like Privoxy, those firewalls do not look at what is directing that proxy internally.

With Outpost, you have to allow programs to access the local proxy, allow the local proxy program permission to act as a proxy server, and allow the local proxy outgoing permission. With TOR next, you have to do the same thing, moving Privoxy from local proxy to program in the chain.

However, you *do not* have to allow privoxy to be a server to any IP but 127.0.0.1, and this is the secure thing to do. You also *do not* have to allow privoxy to have network access to anything but 127.0.0.1 - but this would limit privoxy from working through anything but TOR or another local proxy. You may or may not want to do this.

TOR however has to be allowed to accept connection from the TOR network to work properly, so it needs to be a server to the "real" world also.

Your problem is likely misconfiguring the software firewall, and not forwarding ports/allowing incoming connections to TOR in the hardware firewall.
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KahunaNui

join:2000-05-01
Fayetteville, AR

said by jp10558:
quote:
Well, I may not have been perfectly clear. Basically there are logical and physical network adapters.
Thank you very much for this info. It seems that no matter how hard i study this stuff, i've never really 'got it' about localhost. I'm going to soak up what you posted. In the meantime, here's a result of some scans on www.auditmypc.com :

1. No Privoxy, No TOR running:
quote:
We scanned the ports you requested, looking for any services or viruses that might be running on them, and did not find anything. This usually indicates that your firewall software or security software is functioning properly. If we had found open ports, we would have reported them to you so that you could adjust your firewall accordingly.
2. Privoxy & TOR running, No Server Access in ZA (only access to Internet given):

Ports 22, 80 & 443 OPEN. (I tried to upload the graphic but i don't think it worked)

Is this normal? Do these ports need to be open or can I close them and still run Privoxy/TOR ?

Sorry for lame questions... i really should know this stuff as much time as i've been at it. i'll be burning the midnite oil even more now. You guys are so far beyond me it's downright pathetic (for me that is).

BTW, regarding forwarding ports, isn't that the kiss of death without rules (for the Zywall2).

Thanks again!
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