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join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON
1 edit | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec This really sucks IMO. I guess I'll have to pay extra again for a 3rd party provider like Giganews. I guess the advantage is that I don't have to wait all day for stuff any more.
It's too bad too because I really like the current setup with all the retention and completion of Giganews at no extra cost.
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incoginto42
@cable.rogers | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec That's it back to Sympatico :P | |
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will98
@cable.rogers | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec No big deal. I've been using Newshosting for almost 2 years now. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
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Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Not a HUGE loss, but I agree that eliminating binaries would have solved the problem that they *claim* they are trying to resolve. The answer is probably that they are on another round of cost cutting and this probably the easiest thing that will cause the least screaming. | |
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join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON
1 edit | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec If so few people are using Usenet, it couldn't possibly cost that much for them to have it. Even the entire Yahoo package of mail, web, & premium services only cost $2-3 per subscriber per month.
Pretty soon Rogers will discontinue everything and only provide a connection albeit that wouldn't be so bad it not for the throttling.
BTW, I hate when companies try to throw up silly smoke screens like that "canceling it because of child porn" crap. Please. You're cancelling it to shave some costs and because you'll probably get away with it. | |
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
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Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by puzz1ed  :If so few people are using Usenet, it couldn't possibly cost that much for them to have it. Even the entire Yahoo package of mail, web, & premium services only cost $2-3 per subscriber per month. 2-3 dollars per subscriber per month = 2 to 3 million dollars per month! 24-36 million per year.
I suspect it's actually a lot less than that from Giganews ... but still a significant chunk of change. | |
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join:2005-02-20
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1 edit | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by sbrook :2-3 dollars per subscriber per month = 2 to 3 million dollars per month! 24-36 million per year. Considering I pay approaching $50/month....
Actually, I really think that Rogers will eventually discontinue everything unless they're getting some kind of ad revenue from it. They see that people can get mail/webspace for free and nobody cares about the "content" on Rogers/Yahoo web page. I figure they'll keep that if they start putting up Google AdSense stuff on it. People are more sophisticated than 10 years ago and don't need the ISP bundled stuff as much so Rogers is there to seize the opportunity to squeeze you a bit more. | |
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@cable.rogers | they need the banwidth! For there phone line. More money | |
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corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Ottawa, ON
clubs: 
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 any free servers to use?
i don't need binary groups, but my parents use the cruise and travel groups and they like having them, they dont like Google Groups
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join:2004-07-22
Toronto, ON
| Wow.
Rogers' newsgroups access was actually the biggest impediment for me to NOT leave Rogers. I decided to leave anyway because of the threatened caps, but always kept my eye on Rogers.
My elderly father bought the Extreme modem solely FOR newsgroups, which were then throttled one month later (and no refund given).
On Sympatico, I purchase pay-by-download from Astraweb, and I'm happy with it, although I don't freely download gigabytes like I used to on Rogers. | |
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MacGyver
Bell Sucks
Premium,ExMod 2003-05
join:2001-10-14
Orleans, ON | For anyone thinking of jumping to Sympatico, Sympatico's newsgroups have had all the binary groups removed for several years now. So while you can still get text messages, forget any attachments. | |
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shudwein
OG
join:2001-10-12
Canada
1 edit | first BT, now Giganews? Goodbye Rogers!
BS! If Rogers wanted to prevent distribution of child pornography, they should stop providing internet access all together. | |
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jono181
join:2004-06-05
Toronto, ON
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by shudwein :first BT, now Giganews? Goodbye Rogers! BS! If Rogers wanted to prevent distribution of child pornography, they should stop providing internet access all together. Yeah, I like how that's the only reason they give for it. | |
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deadromantics
@cable.rogers | hahaha it just gets better and better. any day now the switch will happen on my end.. no more rogers, no more bs. | |
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| FireHazard
join:2004-09-30
Mississauga, ON
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec I agree with HiVolt. We all knew it was coming, it was just a matter of time.
I'm one of those guys who bought the Sb5100 for $100, soley for newsgroups. When rogers cut the speeds for retention. I jumped ship and payed my $14.95 to Newshosting.
There's probably not going to be much network speed improvements by scrapping usenet, cuz all i do is download.
No big loss for you guys who like the free thing.
That child porn thing was a bit odd. What the hell is the Canadian Coalition Against Internet Child Exploitation? The fact that they have an acronym for it creeps the hell out of me. People are into that kind of shit?
Sheessssh.... | |
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y2dan
join:2002-03-12
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jono181
join:2004-06-05
Toronto, ON | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec So all the new unsuspecting people that sign up for Rogers will now be pleasantly surprised to find out there is no usenet newsgroups. Wow, nice one Rogers. | |
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join:2002-11-03 | i signed up with www.newshosting.com and can get 5mbit downstream from their servers. unlimited downloads for $15usd /month. | |
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sm00nie
join:2004-06-04
Richmond Hill, ON
| bahh I'm disappointed.. I'm in the programming environment and a great deal of support I receive and give are through this service. A lot of old school professors and programmers I've come to know and work with are exclusively on newsgroups.
I'll definitely be letting Rogers know of my disappointment (not that it will change anything)... and search for another affordable newsgroup provider. | |
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| drunkgoat
join:2004-04-18
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Well this is positivly disapointing 
Of course Rogers wouldn't be so kinda as to really inform us of this, they hide it in some seldom viewed page.
Atleast we can all take comfort in the knowledge that Rogers will be fair to their customers and minus whatever money they are saving from scrapping usenet from our bills.
Oh yeah wait this is Rogers... the same company that cut our speeds in half without warning or price adjustment, got us all to buy their modems, then capped us and took away our fast usenet access, and now they are taking away our slow usenet access.
We definatly need some more competition in this industry, I hope bell picks up and actually challenges Rogers.
Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power. | |
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@cable.rogers
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec "Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power."
You're kidding right? Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.
If newsgroups are so important then pay the $15.00 a month a go with a 3rd party. You know you are saving thousands of dollars with what you are downloading. And if you only use text groups which considcering your complaining is unlikely. Use google groups or one of the free text only servers. There are a few out there. | |
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join:2005-10-06
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec A little pattern is emerging. Rogers needs to find way to improve customer experience and reducing cost so:
if webspace is important to you, go somewhere else.
if downloading is important to you, go somewhere else.
if ftp server is important to you, go somewhere else.
if email is important to you, go somewhere else.
if websurfing is important to you, go somewhere else | |
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join:2004-04-18
| Newsgroups are important, and I have had a pay provider since rogers switch to giganews FYI.
It was nice to be able to fall back on giga news for when you were trying to access a post that was 55 days old and no other provider had it.
Look at how other american cable ISP are bumping thier users speeds up, alot of cities are getting 10/2 and soon to be 15/2.
Also there is little consumer power in this industry, if the consumers had any power then rogers wouldn't be able to dick the consumer atleast once a year.
Rogers get your game together. | |
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baystboi
@sympatico.ca
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Who in the US is offering speeds such as 10/2 or 15/2? Checked all of the big guys... Adelphia, Cox, Comcast, Time Warner Cable... all of them tend to max out around 5-6 down, with the exception of Time Warner's Road Runner which can be up to 8 in some areas. | |
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join:2002-11-14
canada | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Optimium Online in New Jersey is bumping up their speeds to 15/2 for no extra charge, and 30/2 for $14.95 extra. | |
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| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec I too am very disppointed in this change!! i did not even get en email from rogers saying they were stopping newsgroup access.. I tend to use my newsgroups a lot.. i think they should of given a choise to the people that want it and they people that don't.. Now they are just going to increase virus's on their system. People are now going to start using more then ever limewire and kazza for downloads. This removal was a stupid move..
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| said by adam242 :
Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.
Must be nice living in an area like that. Down here on the east coast we have 2 high speed choices - Rogers & Aliant. Aliant lists new groups but doesn't say if they include binaries. Being that their service is so similar to Bell Sympatico I would think all they provide are text based.
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bigjohn
join:2005-05-26
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| said by adam242 :
"Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power."
You're kidding right? Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.
You're a lucky one. In my area, there are 2. Bellsouth IFITL or cable. Either way, $50 per month... | |
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| | DALarose
join:2003-03-07
CANADA | Rogers of course in their TOS says they don't have to tell their users. | |
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nonamerogerscom
@cable.rogers | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec "Rogers of course in their TOS says they don't have to tell their users."
However, the Consumer Protection Act makes that mandatory. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
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Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Well, I just read the CPA and cannot find any instance of where notice is required.
However there were lots of interesting things in the CPA regarding things like no waiver of rights, like Rogers want to take you to arbitration. If you don't agree to it, you can take them to court in spite of what the EUA says. | |
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merogerscable
@cable.rogers
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Correct about the EUA and the arbitration provision. Please note that the act you have read is the 2002 act, there is also a previous Consumer Protection Act (which is still in effect). Hehehe, there are TWO Consumer Protection Acts in Ontario  And then there are the regulations for the acts
Actually Rogers has a lot of crap in their EUA that will never hold in a court of law (and they know it).
As for the notice requirement, it is implicit in the Act. The courts have interpreted the act as requiring notice. Namely, as I stated in another post, if the quality of the service that Rogers offers you changes, then it becomes unsolicited service. From the moment it becomes unsolicited, you can ask for a refund of the money paid since the service became unsolicited (24 months contract or not). Rogers can only avoid that by stating "But, look your Honour the client consented to the changes".
According to the Act, the burden is on Rogers to prove that the consumer has consented to the change in service(even if by affirmative action).
Now, logically, how can Rogers say that you consented to the change, if Rogers didn't EVEN bother to give you notice of the change? You simply CANNOT consent to something of which you have no knowledge of Always apply your logic
I mean, yeah, nobody is going to send Rogers executives to jail for not sending notices, however they do that at their own peril. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
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Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec merogerscable ... this is LAW not LOGIC. You can apply all the LOGIC you want but that isn't the way the law works.
The law is very specific where it deviates from common law - and consumer protection acts do deviate from common law (caveat emptor). So, it is important that you understand the legal definitions of the terms you are bandying around.
Rogers DOES provide notice and they've told you how they will provide notice. That may be unacceptable in the eyes of a court and definitely to you, but according to the law they've met that term. Remember that ignorance in general is NOT considered sufficient defense.
Even arguing that Rogers is providing unsolicited service that you have the right to use and therefore don't have to pay, consider that it the "unsolicited service" concept was meant to cover the scenario such as a garden company has sprayed your lawn. You are under no obligation to pay.
If a garden company arrived on your doorstep with a rental lawnmower that clearly said "property of garden company" and left it there (having delivered it to the wrong place). You used the lawnmower to cut your grass. Now that's not an unsolicited service. They made the mistake of leaving it there ... that gives you no right to use it.
Similarly, you cancel Rogers cable, but they don't come and disconnect you for 2 months and you continue watching. That's not unsolicited service. Generally, Rogers will ignore such scenarios, but they could charge you with theft of service since you knew that you shouldn't be using the service. | |
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join:2005-10-15
North York, ON
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 I thought Rogers was supposed to notify us:
Service Modifications; Amendments. We may at any time and from time to time amend or modify this Agreement and/or any fees, features or other aspects of your Services upon notice to you and without your consent. Notification may be provided using one or more of the following methods: (i) postcard or letter mailed to
your billing address; (ii) bill message or insert; (iii) e-mail to one or more of your Rogers’ e-mail accounts; (iv) posting on www.rogers.com; (v) posting on »rogers.yahoo.com; (vi) newspaper ad; or (vii) speaking to you or leaving a message for you.
I never received notice and I don't think answering a question in an FAQ about why a service is changing amounts to notification that it is changing. | |
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Note that it DOES NOT say that they HAVE to notify you. It just says that notification of changes may occur in any of those ways. Putting it in the faq is satisfied by number iv). | |
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pulp39
Premium
join:2003-01-28
Ottawa, ON
2 edits | Yep, there we go. I was one of the few who vehemently screamed that this Giganews "improved newsgroup service" was crap and it was only going to get worse, the beginning of the end no doubt!
I rest my case...
Whenever Ted says "improved"... look out!!!
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AT1
join:2003-03-05
Sedalia, MO
| Customers with a continuing desire to read or post Usenet text messages can do so through Google Groups. This is an excellent resource that provides a searchable archive of every text message ever posted to Usenet. »groups.google.ca
Additionally, customers can go to companies like Giganews (our supplier up until the point when we discontinue Usenet) who offer a full Usenet service on a paid basis.
»www.giganews.com/
»search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8···e+Canada | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Ha! Google's newsgroups service is a mixture of good and bad. | |
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zaptor99
join:2004-05-02
Toronto, ON
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Sure, we can use google, or pay for GigaNews.
Sure, we can pay and host our ad-free personal sites
Sure, we can stop downloading from BT.
But, don't we deserve a price cut if we are not provided these services anymore?
By the way, who can I complain to besides the president? CRTC, Silvermen helps? BBB? Global Defenders? CTV consumer alert? | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
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Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec CRTC doesn't get involved with the internet service providers even if they are cable operators or telcos.
The BBB is useless ... Rogers could buy up the BBB
The others ... yup.
Otherwise, the Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affairs, The Federal Industry Minister. | |
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zaptor99
join:2004-05-02
Toronto, ON | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Thanks sbrook, that will be my assigment for the weekend.
I'll try TheStar and The Globe too
I hope other people do the same. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Since the DPS issues are upstream traffic and usenet use generates downstream traffic, I don't think this is a DPS problem. This is far more likely to be a revenue issue. | |
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toronto12323
@cable.rogers | So why would I stay with Rogers? I just checked out Bell's site, no data transfer limit. No binaries, but neither will Rogers after December.
That would mean satellite TV, I guess. | |
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cc86
join:2004-02-24
Waterloo, ON
| Go Rogers, always giving us less for our $.
Not surprised they're doing this, all they care about right now is their stupid phone. I receive at least 1 ad per week about their phone and it's not even available here yet, and won't be until they get it working right in Toronto. 
No point in calling to complain, guarantee they haven't notified their CSR's about this. They still haven't notified their CSR's about the upgrade to extreme.  | |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | well.. if DSL is not available in your area then... I think 3web provides news service and 3web uses Rogers. | |
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| darrylr
join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec I don't see how 3Web will offer newsgroups for their rogers cable customers will they? I would never switch to 3Web anyway.
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join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Yes of course 3web wouldn't provide access to Rogers customers, but if you are using 3web cable service, except for 3webs terrible phone support, the service itself is technically the same except you would be using 3web's mail and usenet services. | |
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join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec I actually meant 3Web customers who are using the Rogers cable network. What kind of newsgroup service do they offer? I kind of thought they would just be using the Rogers/Giganews setup as well.
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shudwein
OG
join:2001-10-12
Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by darrylr :I actually meant 3Web customers who are using the Rogers cable network. What kind of newsgroup service do they offer? I kind of thought they would just be using the Rogers/Giganews setup as well. -Darryl I believe from what I've read that it's the same as Rogers (Giganews). Most likely once Rogers discontinues the outsourcing, it will be gone for 3Web too. | |
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salan
join:2004-10-04
Canada | first the caps, now BT, and now usenet. Rogers, ur officialy the shittiest ISP this world has had the unfortune to live with. the sympatico call center shall soon be recieving a phone call... just hope Bell has upgraded by area or im doomed. | |
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NOUSENAME
@cable.rogers
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 Why people keep switching back and forth from Bell and Rogers. It's a pity to be tossing around between them. These are not the ONLY ISP in Toronto. There are still lots of other DSL companies. BOTH Bell AND Rogers sucks anyway. No point going back to Bell. Don't forget Bell was the one started to cut the Newsgroup. Wake up...
With people who use text Newsgroup or don't use any Newsgroup, fall back to use a Lite version of Internet Cable that save you some money cause you don't need the EXTREME speed to surf the net and check your mail. | |
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| | salan
join:2004-10-04
Canada
| Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by NOUSENAME :
With people who use text Newsgroup or don't use any Newsgroup, fall back to use a Lite version of Internet Cable that save you some money cause you don't need the EXTREME speed to surf the net and check your mail.
bell/rogers provides their own services to the other isps... so ur still using either bells or rogers backbone | |
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join:2004-11-01
Richmond Hill, ON
| The problem is, Bell (why is beyond me) doesn't seem to want to improve their customer service.
My buddy has ExpressVU. He goes to them and wants to RENT a HD PVR. They say "sorry, you are not a new customer, you must purchase the PVR". Can you believe that???? He was a longtime customer and was PREVENTED from renting!!
Everyone knows (or you are living in Ted's hole too long!) that only about 20% of the Rogers customers would recommend them. So why hasn't Bell done ANYTHING in the way of trying to get those customers?
Part of the problem is technology. I am not convinced that the hassles and "potential no TV during bad weather" and quite frankly the picture, is better with ExpressVU.
Internet is different.
(A) Rogers Express - 48kB/s UPLINK
(B) Bell HighSpeed - 78kB/S uplink (Ultra btw is same uplink which I think is shit!)
The other beauty with BELL - you can obtain a different IP. I was doing some stock feed sucking from Yahoo - they actually cut me - I couldn't do queries on their site. I then changed the IP and was back in again.
(Oddly when I did some tests about 6 mths ago I found that both services were about the same on the downlink
With Rogers, as far as I am converned, the only thing you can do to keep happiness in your home is -- get all your services - exactly what you will want for years to come, and lock in for the long haul (ie rely on the grandfathering to work its magic). And you have to think smart. When Rogers made the switch from second billing to minute billing, I locked in my 200mins and unlimited nights/weekends. I was talking more then and opted for an ADD-ON 100 minutes for $14. Yes it was more than say switching to a 300 or 400 minute plan, but the beauty - when I wasn't requiring the 100 minutes anymore, I could just "remove it". If I had the 400m plan and wanted to move down to 200m, I would be adjusting my plan and forced to flip from second to minute billing. YES today I have by the second billing still. Funny I got a call 3mths ago and they stated they would offer me a hardware credit and keep my existing plan. Dubious I thought at best.
I dunno -- I must be in the dark. For some reason Bell is responsible up to the DEMARK point in your home. Then you can do whatever you want. Bell was forced to open up its lines to allow 3rd party companies to offer HOME service. Further they must resell their DSL.
Rogers bot SPrint - they can offer HOME PHONE.
So someone explain to me why Bell cannot get into the CABLE business? Why can't I buy my Cable programming through Bell or Telus or Primus etc? Why can I not buy my INTERNET service - on the same FAT PIPE through A&B Internet Services Inc.
WHY?
Writing Ted Rogers and his kid is USELESS IMO. I would rather spend the time in writing my MP and the Canadian Radio & Telecommication Coneheads in Ottawa why, in 2005, I am forced to use ROGERS and yet not forced to use BELL.
(I agree that anyone that has everything with Rogers, or with Bell et al just to save money is playing a bad game. One service disruption; one account problem; one missed payment - and its lights out. And when you LOCK INTO their plans - why should they provide good customer support? They don't think you will pay the penalty to get out!! Rogers has made it easier - 5% discount with 2 services? HA! Doesn't even cover 1/3 of the TAX we pay.. so F*THEM*ALL!)
Cheers all!
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garts99
join:2003-02-27
North York | Damn sneaky rogers.
Makes u wanna punch ted in the face. | |
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dl0711
join:2004-06-27
London, ON | With this news it makes it look like rogers thinks that everyone who uses the UseNet Servers is a Child Porn Downloader... Shame on rogers thinking that.
its almost like Slander. | |
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@cable.rogers | Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec It looks like they took the Child Porn reference out of the FAQ. They must have read the comments on this forum. | |
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