Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15

bigjohn join:2005-05-26 Woodstock, GA	reply to adam242 Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec said by adam242 : "Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power." You're kidding right? Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20. You're a lucky one. In my area, there are 2. Bellsouth IFITL or cable. Either way, $50 per month...
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Paul9658 @cable.rogers	reply to BayStBoi I called Look to buy cable and hi speed only to find out they are also discontinueing Usenet as of Feb. 2, 2006.
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0	reply to Wolfie00 Yes there are forums where you will indeed get a lot of help ... especially in that kind of space. Old timers are reluctant to move to these kind of forums!
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Wolfie00 My dog is an elitist Premium join:2005-03-12	reply to sbrook said by sbrook : So, even for text groups, the usefulness is declining rapidly because of the lack of moderation and ability to post anonymously. Your earlier points are well taken, and I'd probably go along with your conclusion, too, although how rapidly text groups are declining is a matter of conjecture. Of course the binary groups are thriving but that's another story. On the other hand, with regard to text groups, there's such a huge variety of them that they still offer the ability to converse or get help in obscure areas where there probably aren't any moderated forums. Here's an example you might appreciate I'm running the SIMH simulator for a variety of DEC machines including the DECsystem10, on which I've actually installed TOPS-10 and configured a multi-user timesharing system. But I've never administered a DECsystem10 and was having trouble gettting my "users" set up. To the rescue came alt.sys.pdp10, with generous help from someone who turned out to be a former DEC TOPS-10 developer. Now, where am I going to find a forum with that kind of help
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0 ·Rogers Hi-Speed Host: Rogers Bell Canada 1 edit	reply to BayStBoi Just as an FYI, apparently Look internet is also stopping Usenet. I don't use Usenet much, but I do notice that the anonymous offensive postings describing other posters in terms none tooo polite has increased dramatically over the last few years to the point that people seem to just have a good old fashioned vendetta on anyone they choose. So, even for text groups, the usefulness is declining rapidly because of the lack of moderation and ability to post anonymously.
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spaterson Premium join:2001-09-02 Gloucester, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed	reply to mRuss1 I've been using aioe.cjb.net. It's free, but I don't think they carry binaries. I read a few message groups and it happens to carry them. I googled "free news servers" and found a list. It even carries rogers.general.
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mRuss1 @cable.rogers	reply to sbrook so is anybody using newsgroups-download.com ? Their price does seem really good for light usage, 3USD a month. I can't find anything cheaper than that, except the astraweb "buy a chunk of absolute download usage" plan. Are they a reasonable provider?
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daves11406 join:2005-12-23 Brechin, ON	reply to sbrook Thanks for pointing that out sbrook,...Rogers is keeping the power in the family,..right?
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daves11406 join:2005-12-23 Brechin, ON	reply to sbrook Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec Send it to John Tory, CEO at Rogers and chairman Garfield Emerson to complaim. That's a good starting place.
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0	reply to daves11406 John Tory is no longer CEO ... it's now Edward Rogers. Tory moved into local and provincial politics.
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daves11406 join:2005-12-23 Brechin, ON	reply to scott2525 Follow the link below if you want names John Tory, CEO at Rogers and chairman Garfield Emerson to complaim. That's a good starting place. COMPLAIN,...PLEASE! »www.successcare.com/document.cfm···oryID=70
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0 ·Rogers Hi-Speed Host: Rogers Bell Canada	reply to merogerscable merogerscable ... this is LAW not LOGIC. You can apply all the LOGIC you want but that isn't the way the law works. The law is very specific where it deviates from common law - and consumer protection acts do deviate from common law (caveat emptor). So, it is important that you understand the legal definitions of the terms you are bandying around. Rogers DOES provide notice and they've told you how they will provide notice. That may be unacceptable in the eyes of a court and definitely to you, but according to the law they've met that term. Remember that ignorance in general is NOT considered sufficient defense. Even arguing that Rogers is providing unsolicited service that you have the right to use and therefore don't have to pay, consider that it the "unsolicited service" concept was meant to cover the scenario such as a garden company has sprayed your lawn. You are under no obligation to pay. If a garden company arrived on your doorstep with a rental lawnmower that clearly said "property of garden company" and left it there (having delivered it to the wrong place). You used the lawnmower to cut your grass. Now that's not an unsolicited service. They made the mistake of leaving it there ... that gives you no right to use it. Similarly, you cancel Rogers cable, but they don't come and disconnect you for 2 months and you continue watching. That's not unsolicited service. Generally, Rogers will ignore such scenarios, but they could charge you with theft of service since you knew that you shouldn't be using the service.
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dragon lee @sfl.net	reply to Slapnuts I too am very disppointed in this change!! i did not even get en email from rogers saying they were stopping newsgroup access.. I tend to use my newsgroups a lot.. i think they should of given a choise to the people that want it and they people that don't.. Now they are just going to increase virus's on their system. People are now going to start using more then ever limewire and kazza for downloads. This removal was a stupid move..
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merogerscable @cable.rogers	reply to sbrook Correct about the EUA and the arbitration provision. Please note that the act you have read is the 2002 act, there is also a previous Consumer Protection Act (which is still in effect). Hehehe, there are TWO Consumer Protection Acts in Ontario And then there are the regulations for the acts Actually Rogers has a lot of crap in their EUA that will never hold in a court of law (and they know it). As for the notice requirement, it is implicit in the Act. The courts have interpreted the act as requiring notice. Namely, as I stated in another post, if the quality of the service that Rogers offers you changes, then it becomes unsolicited service. From the moment it becomes unsolicited, you can ask for a refund of the money paid since the service became unsolicited (24 months contract or not). Rogers can only avoid that by stating "But, look your Honour the client consented to the changes". According to the Act, the burden is on Rogers to prove that the consumer has consented to the change in service(even if by affirmative action). Now, logically, how can Rogers say that you consented to the change, if Rogers didn't EVEN bother to give you notice of the change? You simply CANNOT consent to something of which you have no knowledge of Always apply your logic I mean, yeah, nobody is going to send Rogers executives to jail for not sending notices, however they do that at their own peril.
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0 ·Rogers Hi-Speed Host: Rogers Bell Canada	reply to nonamerogerscom Well, I just read the CPA and cannot find any instance of where notice is required. However there were lots of interesting things in the CPA regarding things like no waiver of rights, like Rogers want to take you to arbitration. If you don't agree to it, you can take them to court in spite of what the EUA says.
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nonamerogerscom @cable.rogers	reply to DALarose "Rogers of course in their TOS says they don't have to tell their users." However, the Consumer Protection Act makes that mandatory.
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sbrook Premium,Mod join:2001-12-14 H0H 0H0	reply to rturnock Note that it DOES NOT say that they HAVE to notify you. It just says that notification of changes may occur in any of those ways. Putting it in the faq is satisfied by number iv).
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