arthur1993
@cable.rogers
| The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE BT..
The reason Rogers can discontinue this service, throttle BT, reduce speed and then increase it, etc...etc... is the same reason that has been mentioned before. The MAJORITY won't either notice or care. The group that posts here would be considered more "power users" or "tech savvy". Although we were the ones who first bought hi-speed when it first came out and helped build the service, we are not the customers they want now. And we are in the minority. Even if a bunch complain and cancel it will do very little when you figure 95% + of the 1 million customers use the internet to browse, check email, and maybe the odd other task. That is the customer Rogers wants and who they cater to. This is obvious by all the actions we have seen.
It really doesn't matter ultimately what we do, unless you can convince the greater majority that they are not getting what they should be getting. Offer services like Extreme look good to investors and hell even look good to us until we find out the other "limitations" in place. The only thing to do is try and find a smaller isp that caters more to the technically inclined. Admittedly i haven't found one yet.
It's the sad reality these days. |
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justlooking
join:2003-06-10 | Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE
It's just good business. If people are willing to pay $45 for light use, why worry about a tiny minority of heavy users? It's better to let them take a hike. |
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jackr
join:2004-03-10
Barrie, ON
 ·3 Web
·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Acanac
| reply to arthur1993
Well.
There's things that can be done, and I'm going to put this in parenthesis to differentiate this,
"you can sabotage the network, or hold it hostage through other means until robbers gives in"
Seems to be the trend today, and unfortunately, it works.
The how's and details I leave to your imaginations. Also, I am in no way advocating going this route, but in the climate of ultimate political paranoia, I feel I should write this to explain....just in case I have to explain to his honour.  |
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arthur1993
@cable.rogers | Well after that i am sure this thread will be locked. |
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jackr
join:2004-03-10
Barrie, ON
·3 Web
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Acanac
| Hopefully, it won't. I'm not advocating taking Rogers down. My connection is working great, I hardly ever use BT (outside of binary transfer for unsecured work). I'm just quoting the obvious. It's just a matter of time before this extreme route is used to achieve an end means. There's lots of individuals quite capable of doing this, and the mounting frustration at the apparent lack of customer care by robbers will eventually lead to someone, or a group of someone, taking on robbers. Why lock a thread for thinking out loud --- or are we censoring every last idea in case it offends? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| jackr ... sabotaging the network is NOT an effective way to get Rogers to change their minds about anything. If anything, it will only serve to strengthen their resolve to rid the network of the people they consider abusers, whether they've taken part in sabotaging or hijacking the network or not.
Revenge rarely satisfies. |
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drunkgoat
join:2004-04-18 | But it is still sweet  |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | And soon after the sugar dissolves and the bitter taste is still there. |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to arthur1993
Better resolution to the problem:
"If you don't like the rules, take your ball and go play elsewhere."
Ultimately, crying here while shelling out your dough every month is not an effective enough solution. Switch to another ISP - they will eventually notice people leaving - er - less money coming from you, the more they remove services or offer "Rogers' unique products, like blogs and their own browser(*cough*Firefox!*cough*)" [Gotta admit, when Rogers' wants to be wishy washy, they can be really wish washy! ]
If Rogers is your only broadband access, then go around the neighbourhood, get people involved and together put pressure onto Bell or an alternative ISP to get accessibility into your area.
What business would say "Oh, they want our product/service - let's NOT give it to them!" |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Once the number of people quitting Rogers exceeds the Churn rate, then they'll start to pay attention.
Unfortunately, putting pressure on Bell won't solve the problem in many areas because the technology just won't cut the mustard. I'm way too far from the CO or even the satellite.
I use Rogers for connectivity only (and temporarily for outgoing mail). I quickly learned to expect nothing more for them. I stopped using newsgroups after being stalked by someone posting via an anonymizer. I don't get enough benefit at this stage to go with a 3rd party provider although I did sign up temporarily with a text only service but after there weren't enough hours in the day for what I wanted to do, I didn't bother. |
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jackr
join:2004-03-10
Barrie, ON
·3 Web
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Acanac
| reply to sbrook
And I agree with you. I'm not trying to troll, or start an argument. Just stating a fact.
Terrorism, in whatever form, seems to work. I'm just stating that it's only a matter of time before Robbers, or any other network that's deemed to be in conflict with its customer base, will eventually come under attack.
There's very little recourse for a lot of robbers extreme customers. Robbers has too much money to fight in court, the crtc has little intrest in helping and finally robbers has to haughty an attitude with the "if you don't like it, shove off", and so much to lose.
I'm not suggesting it's a good solution, or a mature one. I'm just suggesting it for what it is. Hopefully, it won't come to that, but that's how wars get started. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| .1 to .2% of Rogers users, assuming you can get them all on board, to attempt netsabotage is not going to have enough impact to do anything except have them disconnect you and possibly charge you.
Add to that the fact that for all the complaints about the gas companies, there are still folks out there filling up at station A and spending 10c per litre more than station B just down the street and the folks paying more are still complaining! The rememdy to the gas situation is easy and has been long promoted ... give your business to the guy who's last to raise prices and first to lower ... you know who they are near you ... but do people actually DO that? Nope ...
So, the chances of your getting even .1% to .2% on board, let alone 1-2% is pretty slim. |
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blacklisted8
join:2005-11-11
| reply to arthur1993
so after people make the switch, will you ever go back? if everything changes in several months, are you gonna think... "hey, maybe i can trust them again. sign me up."
i don't know about that. yes, switching your isp will help YOU out (the educated one), but what about the rest? they're being ripped off. they're paying $50 dollars a month for high-speed WEB access (not high-speed INTERNET access). the internet is so much more than web pages, emails and blogs.
this appears to be a greedy company. and greedy companies take full advantage of every opportunity, be it good or bad.
you're not going to notice anything if you're only using the internet once a week for emails. is that ted's philosophy? the majority of our clients use the internet for email and the odd web site. so it's okay because they won't notice a thing if we take away services and dictate what they can and cannot do. for example usenet and BT. why? because our customers are "distribution vehicles for child exploitation images".
i laugh at the generalization. what a big mistake that was. i think it would make more sense to alert the media (like the star) as to what is going on. if you wanna talk about making people aware of the facts, it's the easiest option available. question is, who is motivated enough to get things rolling? |
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bad-rogers
@cable.rogers
| reply to arthur1993
Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE BT..
For Rogers, losing these power users who use more than 200GB/month will actually help them gain more revenue than keeping them in service.
You'll be surprised to know how very small number of people are knowledgible enough about technology to actually complain and consider moving to other ISPs...
This forum has a dense population of tech savvies, so it looks like there are a lot, but no one I know ever really talks about how crappy their internet service is... Even if they feel there's something wrong with it, most let it go (prolly persuaded by Rogers techies) and live with it...
Heck, even for me, I don't use BT or newsgroups, ever...
But in any case, I don't think downloading 1TB in revenge is going to do anything other than Rogers taking another negative step...Rogers won't probably even know the high bandwidth usage is to piss them off...not very effective. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE
Absolutely ... the best thing to do is complain to the Office of the President. |
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Omr
join:2004-01-10
M1S-1B3
| reply to arthur1993
Guys, Guys, Guys ... you all forget, if we are tech-savvy then we do pose as there biggest adversary. We know the ins and outs of the net, so spread the word on how crappy Rogers is. Create websites like ' »www.spreadfirefox.com/ ', post on blogs, create graphics and spread it over p2p. A grassroots movement can catch the attention of the media, spread the word (information is power), and hit them in there bottom line (there profits). Maybe we can hold a rally in front of Teds corporate building (too cold right now, but maybe around Spring). Do acts of civil disobedience like for no reason saturate both there up and down bandwidth with software that can do so. Maybe everyone should use port 1720, so those on VOIP feel it and complain as well. Or we can just sit here and bitch ... our choice Ted either gets away with it or pays hell. |
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KyeU
join:2003-12-31
Canada | Hrmm.... >=)
I could create graphics... |
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D
@cable.rogers
| reply to arthur1993
Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE BT..
The reason Rogers can discontinue this service, throttle BT, reduce speed and then increase it, etc...etc... is the same reason that has been mentioned before. The MAJORITY won't either notice or care.
The majority won't notice? Wrong. Usenet, maybe. But not p2p. Do you really need $100+$50/month to surf google? And BT is growing larger by the day. A lot of the MMORPGS I play use torrents to transfer the patches/updates because it's cost effective when you have millions of ppl needing to patch. So how am I going to use torrents now to patch my games if I can't dl them properly? Ah, but Rogers didn't think ahead to realize a lot of legit companies use BT now for file transfer. We are screwed if they do not fix this. Give it another year. Direct downloading will be a thing of the past in due time. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE
The number of P2P users is still a very small proportion of the total million subscribers to Rogers. |
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b0oMeR
join:2005-11-13
L4B 15k
1 edit | reply to arthur1993
Re: The Reason Rogers can cancel USENET, THROTTLE BT..
Rogers are always saying they "WILL" (keyword) fix this problem. But when will they acutually get thier asses up and announce the fact that they will fix it? We as rogers subscribers need to know what you guys do, every step you guys take affect us more than it affects you. You said you are going to fix this by "NEXT YEAR?!", when exactly is "NEXT YEAR?", it can be Dec,31/2006 as of right now. Major companies like Rogers need to let their comsumers know more. Send e-mails! That never kills anyone. This BT throttling is really bugging me because I cant get my patches stright. Even after i finish downloading them They are always currupted because of the slow rates they are downloading at. So i recommend you at Rogers to stop throttling BT until you can fix it for all of those other companies that need BT in order to properly patch all of our games. If your trying to hide something from us, you sohuld find a better way then to block out 2 major importants programs companies use for their business. |
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