smcallah
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Re: Not even cable?
Since they don't own the cable coax, I doubt they are touching that.
Especially if the customer has cable TV. Don't you think they'd notice if Verizon took away their cable? |
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | Well, I just wanted to clarify what the author meant by copper. |
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| They remove their copper from the house to the distribution point (poll, box, etc). They can't touch anything that's not theirs.
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Luwigie
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They just take out the copper for the phone lines, making it impossible to go back to POTS/DSL. |
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| Nothing is impossible, but it may be against policy for them to re-install copper to a home that has a fiber connection.
There is nothing but policy that would prevent them from doing this however.
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RARPSL
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| said by jtudor  :Nothing is impossible, but it may be against policy for them to re-install copper to a home that has a fiber connection. There is nothing but policy that would prevent them from doing this however. So if a home which has FIOS is sold, they new owner is locked into FIOS since Verizon will REFUSE to supply Phone/DSL service via Copper? I can understand this policy for the CURRENT customer but once there is a new customer I think there might be an issue if they refuse to supply service. There might also be an issue if the new owner REQUIRES Copper connectivity due to needing a 24/7 connection that FIOS does not deliver due to the need for a UPS on premises to supply power if there is a black-out in the area. |
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | Good point. No 911 with localized power failure... |
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RARPSL
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| said by TexasGuy :Good point. No 911 with localized power failure... The FIOS connection comes with a short-term UPS so you do not IMMEDIATELY lose your ability to call 911 (and others). I do not know how long it is rated for (either stand-bye or usage) but it is not going to be as long as a POTS Copper Connection. |
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ctaul
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Dallas, TX | reply to state
they didnt remove my copper, they just put the ont next to the old copper box |
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starstuff
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said by RARPSL :said by TexasGuy :Good point. No 911 with localized power failure... The FIOS connection comes with a short-term UPS so you do not IMMEDIATELY lose your ability to call 911 (and others). I do not know how long it is rated for (either stand-bye or usage) but it is not going to be as long as a POTS Copper Connection. Most of the households nowadays use AC powered phones so what is the use of POTS when your phones don't work? Besides in the past 10 years I've lost power 2 or 3 times due to lightning strikes and only for a couple of minutes with this kind of reliability the power outage issue is irrelevant. |
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emptywig
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| No, you've got it all wrong. You don't look at how often or how long you HAVE lost your power, you should be looking at what would happen IF you lose your power, just once, for a long time.
People who have loved ones at home that require 24/7 care, or who live in storm-prone areas and may need emergency help during a storm, or a long-term power-outage, would never make an argument like this.
And what is the use of POTS when your A/C powered phones don't work? The use is that you can still get that $5 non-powered phone out from under the counter and you plug it in. |
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| Where I live power at times goes out for an hour when there is a heavy rain and it floods something on the polls. At times you can hear explosions... and power goes out.
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said by emptywig :No, you've got it all wrong. You don't look at how often or how long you HAVE lost your power, you should be looking at what would happen IF you lose your power, just once, for a long time. People who have loved ones at home that require 24/7 care, or who live in storm-prone areas and may need emergency help during a storm, or a long-term power-outage, would never make an argument like this. And what is the use of POTS when your A/C powered phones don't work? The use is that you can still get that $5 non-powered phone out from under the counter and you plug it in. You are loosing the perspective here. POTS is not the answer to any emergency situation. You can easily substitute POTS with another service like a cellular or run across the street to use your neighbor's $5 non-powered phone to make the emergency call.
Nothing is 100% fail-safe, just ask Katrina survivors. I would feel perfectly safe with a fios-only phone system and probably my loved ones would be better off if the emergency response doesn't arrive  |
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starstuff
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Mcallen, TX | reply to TexasGuy
Looks like Houston is worse now than when I attended college at UH in the 80's |
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | reply to starstuff
If power is down in the area then the cell towers are dead as well... |
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| said by TexasGuy :If power is down in the area then the cell towers are dead as well... That's not necessarily true.
A couple of years back when Isabel hit our area the power was out for well over a week...the cellphone towers and facilities they communicated with had backup generators and were actually more reliable than the land-lines because of all the downed trees and power lines.
There was of course a slight bandwidth problem, everyone trying to use their cellphones at the same time taxed the towers and sometimes we had to try making a call several times before it actually went through.
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FIOS REQUIERS an UPS onsight to operate? In the last 3years I've lost power 2x for over 3days (once over 5) and POTS never went down. So IF this is true is that UPS ILEC/CLEC property or am I gonna have to replace that battery (or ups if that battery decides to swell before giving dead bat LED) at my own expense? |
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Well, ya know that's why Comcast has been upset with this whole FIOS thing being instaled, they've cut their underground cables when burying the fios cables... so yes, even the coax is being cut 
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VMSDCLGUY
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The fios installers make it absolutely clear that when the UPS battery dies, it's up to the subscriber to replace it. The documentation says that, too.
(I seem to recall the fios TV installer saying something about that in passing as well.)
I asked the original installers what the life would be on the battery, and they told me at least a year or two, depending on how many times it got used. We recently had a 5 hour outage when some knucklehead with a backhoe on a trailer pulled down a power pole. The Internet access came right back up (it took the TV settops about 4-5 minutes to get back up), so the UPS did what it needed to do that time... |
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