TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
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join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| reply to Bobcat
Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing?
Digital TV is High Fixed cost business, where a large infrastructure is needed to support the customers, no matter how many customers there are subscribed. CV was losing customers to Sat. prior to iO. Since iO they have been adding customers. New customers are profitable to add as long as the revenue they provide covers the marginal cost of their addition. 
By moving analog customers to iO they free up bandwidth and allow the addition of new or improved services allowing them to compete more effectively. 
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to GeekNJ
I'm not entirely sure what I'd get by "upgrading" from Family Cable to iO plus a digital box. Probably a bunch of channels that I'd never watch (can you say "al-a-carte"?). But based on the amount of advertising CV does for iO, they must make a ton of money on it.
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to Bobcat
said by Bobcat  :Why would I want to increase my bill by 33%? You wouldn't unless you were going to get additional value from making the change. It would be the same as someone coming to YOU and say I pay $20 for basic TV, why would I pat $46/mo which is 100%+ increase?
If they offered foreign language channels, you might be interested (based on past posts). Let's say it was $10/mo more. You might be interested since you'd get value from adding that package and that cost. I wouldn't. Doesn't mean it's wrong that you're increasing your cost 20%.
No added value to you, no reason to change.
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to trinibwoy
I pay Cablevision $46/month (soon to go up!) for Family Cable, and I think that's too much. iO would cost me another $15.19/month, an increase of 33%(!), with just one digital box. Why would I want to increase my bill by 33%?
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trinibwoy
join:2004-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to rickonline
said by rickonline :I was visiting some relatives in Brooklyn on Thanksgiving and the Cablevision analog box was working perfectly. I was told that some Brooklyn neighborhoods are now all digital but not where my relatives live. Same here. I still have analog Cablevision and it works fine. I'm happy with it but I want Fox Soccer and maybe checkout the HD stuff as well. |
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Dirtyping
join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY
| reply to trinibwoy
Where I live the Cablevision analog signal is far superior than the IO digital service. With IO video and audio quality are horrible, way too much compression at times. Which is not saying much because the analog is pretty crappy to begin with. I also lose all the I/O HBO channels for half a minute at 5 past the hour at 9pm, 10pm and 11pm for some reason but the rest of the hour it is fine.
I have had Dish Network and Directv which were far superior in audio/video quality than that of Cablevision I/O. The only problem with that was I got sick of cutting my neighbors trees and imposing on them to get a clear shot at the satellites.
Hopeful for FIOS TV in 2006, if we ever get it here. |
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rickonline
join:2005-11-15
North Bergen, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to trinibwoy
I was visiting some relatives in Brooklyn on Thanksgiving and the Cablevision analog box was working perfectly. I was told that some Brooklyn neighborhoods are now all digital but not where my relatives live.
I have the IO Silver package and it is a very good deal. I was considering switching to satellite, but I like some of the On Demand services of Cablevision. I will keep researching the price differences since I have a private home with plenty of room for the dish on my roof.
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mbernste
Boosted
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ | reply to trinibwoy
»Why is Cablevision so inexpensive? |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to uroberto
said by uroberto :GeekNJ, His digital tuner must also have a QAM tuner built-in. One of my TV comes with HD tuner built-in, but it doesn't have QAM. I can't get the digital channels without Cablevision's box. Thanks. Didn't know there were additional criteria. All the folks I know that have a built-in tuner could get the signal if they wanted to. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
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uroberto
join:2001-05-01
Piscataway, NJ | reply to GeekNJ
GeekNJ,
His digital tuner must also have a QAM tuner built-in. One of my TV comes with HD tuner built-in, but it doesn't have QAM. I can't get the digital channels without Cablevision's box. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to schdy37
said by schdy37 :I have Cablevision and I have a HDTV. All I watch are the HD channels so I asked to subscribe to IO only. Not a chance. I'm forced to purchase the Family package at$50 and add IO plus the HD box for another $20. So I,m paying $70 for 10 HD channels. I think Sattelite TV is going to have a HDTV package only. I'm looking into it but the cost of the receiver is prohibitive. Do you have a HDTV tuner built in? You don't even need io, I don't think, and you'd get some channels by directly plugging in the cable line to your HDTV tuner. In order to get certain channels, you would need to subscribe to a level of io service.
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schdy37
join:2004-12-07
Commack, NY
| reply to JoshNJ
I have Cablevision and I have a HDTV. All I watch are the HD channels so I asked to subscribe to IO only. Not a chance. I'm forced to purchase the Family package at$50 and add IO plus the HD box for another $20. So I,m paying $70 for 10 HD channels. I think Sattelite TV is going to have a HDTV package only. I'm looking into it but the cost of the receiver is prohibitive. |
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JoshNJ
Premium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
1 edit | reply to RWoods
Well, how does it work with satellite? Is the rate the same everywhere? Not exactly the same anyway as fios, since they could run into problems with local towns wanting franchise fees. |
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RWoods
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Rye, NY
clubs: | reply to JoshNJ
Very true. But we can always hope a cheaper alternative to satellite/cable will come available. |
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JoshNJ
Premium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
| reply to RWoods
Hey, Susan's back. 
Anyways, those prices are for fios tv in "test" areas in Texas, at this point there is no real reason to believe the prices will be the same for ny/nj/ct. Especially since providing tv service very well may involve different programming costs in different areas even for Verizon (thats how it is with all the cable companies, licensing fees and agreements are different depending on the area being serviced, even though it its the same exact service from the same exact company)
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RWoods
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Rye, NY
clubs:
1 edit | reply to trinibwoy
I think iO is a pretty good deal. Pricing was comparable to the dish services when I was researching this stuff a couple of years ago...not sure now.
However, it does appear FIOS tv will be slightly cheaper. The highest FIOS package, comparable to iO Gold, will come in at under $80. Plus, I the set top boxes are $1 cheaper. So you figure a family with 3 boxes and the top tier of service will save about $10/mo with FIOS...now only if it would be made available. 
Also, just glancing at what will be made, it appears FIOS will be offering greater programming than iO. |
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bronxlcsw
join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to trinibwoy
Having tried IO gold before I can say that Dish network pricing and picture quality is superior. However i dont have a High Def tv so I cannot comment on the offer on Dish vs. CV. I would be killed and chopped up by my kids if they ever thought i was going to get rid of Dish in favor of CV. CV is great for Internet and Tel service. The on demand thing is kool but you pay extra for it. So it all comes down to need. You state no need for a DVR and only one cable box. I do think the first box is free with CV so you could get DVR for free. Otherwise its 10 dollars per month. |
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JoshNJ
Premium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
| reply to trinibwoy
said by trinibwoy :Also, if anyone can confirm whether IO is all digital in brooklyn Yes it is.
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JaM4150
Premium
join:2005-10-27
Matamoras, PA
clubs:
 ·DIRECTV
·Charter Pipeline
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·T-Mobile US
·Optimum Online
| reply to trinibwoy
said by trinibwoy :Also, if anyone can confirm whether IO is all digital in brooklyn I'd really appreciate it Thanks! I think although I could be wrong that everything in Bklyn is transmitted digitally except for broadcast basic. I say that because CV mandates a box period. So if their going to mandate a box it might as well be a digital box so they can transmit digitally and generate revenue from On Demand features from the box. |
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trinibwoy
join:2004-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to trinibwoy
Thanks for the responses guys, they were very helpful. Yossisiegel, your situation is very different from mine - I only have a single tv and no need for a DVR. But I can see that based on your needs, the comparison between cable and satellite can differ greatly. |
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