geestring
join:2004-07-10 | [ Express] sending in outlook express...
I know people have posted about this... I haven't found any real solutions?
apparently rogers blocks port 25?
I'm using my own email on my own servers...
i cant send anything through outlook.... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Correct. You must send mail out through Rogers Yahoo! SMTP servers, OR if you have external hosting, it must be capable of using an alternate "Submission port" as an Mail Submission Agent(MSA), as opposed to a Mail Transport Agent(MTA)
This is to stop spam, especially from zombie bot nets. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
so basically either I use rogers email... or my servers must have an alternate way out? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| You don't have to use Rogers email ... You can *receive* mail on your system, but you cannot SEND email through it, even with your own domain name in the From: address or Reply To: address.
E.G.
User name: JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca
SMTP server: smtp.broadband.rogers.com
POP server: pop.myowndomain.ca
Any mail you send will look something like ...
From: JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca
Received: from smtp.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com by
someserver.somedomain.com
Received: from unknown (HELO mycomputer)
(yourusername@rogers.com@70.26.xxx.xxx with login)
by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 01:31:03 -0000
So, when they reply, it goes to JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca not to rogers.com |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
so I can still send using my own email... it just wont be using my own server?
err that sucks...
let me see if my servers have a alternate port... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | That works if your servers are OUTSIDE Rogers network ... i.e. not on machined connected via your cable modem. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
but I wouldnt want to do that if Im running abusiness... having some yahoo rogers crap being shown... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| To get outside Rogers network you have two choices ...
1) User Rogers servers ... and who cares if it has a rogers yahoo server in the headers? What matters is that the From: gets it back to you@yourdomain. (There are actually SOME issues that I have with using Rogers Yahoo! servers but that's another matter).
2) Use a Mail host or web host offering mail and host your mail servers out there ... but the domain host must allow connection on a port other than 25. I used Canaca ... they don't, so for now, I use Rogers servers for outbound mail, but it still LOOKS like it comes from me@mydomain
You cannot use mail servers hosted on your own system which is connected to Rogers ... and that's to stop the spread of spam and viruses and is a good thing, even if a nuisance. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
ok to use rogers for outgoing... use that smtp address you showed above? |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | supposedly my servers use an alternate port as well 587... I still get an error though... does rogers block 587 as well? |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB | reply to sbrook
There's a 3rd choice but it's not common. Some servers allow you to use email programs to connect using HTTP servers and not the POP & SMTP servers. |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to geestring
said by geestring  :supposedly my servers use an alternate port as well 587... I still get an error though... does rogers block 587 as well? What outgoing error are you getting? Should be something like 0x800CCC--. Are the outgoing server settings correct? Are you required to use authentication - username/password? Do you need to turn on Secure Socket Layer - SSL?
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
k whats the smtp address for rogers then? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | smtp.broadband.rogers.com |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
I used that smtp and it says the server rejected my email address... which is my own email... |
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spyre99
@cable.rogers
| I just want to say that this is really upsetting me.
I'm a student and I can't send emails through my University of Toronto account anymore because of Rogers.
Its pretty much the straw that broke my back, I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it.
Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to geestring
geestring ... you didn't set something up right. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers...
something in outlookk... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Probably the way you're specifying the port number.
I don't use LookOut, so I can't speak from experience but this looks like it should help you to change the port ... it's not simply adding a :587 after the server name like some servers.
»products.secureserver.net/email/···look.htm |
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