sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to courtvb
Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express...
I am surprised that UofT has NOT yet implemented alternate port SMTP submission being that the MSA approach is becoming so highly recommended AND that UofT Computing is supposedly at the forefront! |
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mordin
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Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to courtvb
said by courtvb  : What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched. For the outgoing server turn on SSL and checkmark 'My server requires authentication' and enter the email address & password.
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courtvb
join:2004-12-02
m5r3z2
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said by sbrook :And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it. Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port. I work at the UofT help desk and we deal with this issue almost every day it seems. We don't offer an alternate port for email. However as we tell everyone, which has been posted here, it is no big deal. Just change your smtp server to use rogers, and make sure you authenticate the outgoing connection with your Rogers username and password and your all set, still looks like the message is coming from your UofT account, unless someone feels the need to actually go through the message headers, which would be not be the norm.
As for Sympatico, they also do this, and actually to some extent it is worse. Sympatico also blocks the standard outgoing smtp port for all 3rd party servers, however they do not require outgoing server authentication with a sympatico username and password. What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | reply to geestring
I know nothing about how Outlook 2003 handles secure log ins. I have only tested MSOE. It will only do STARTTLS on port 25.
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
do you think its just an "express" problem... isnt outlook 2003 or whatever different? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to NormanS
Actually, while smtp.broadband.rogers.com is indeed a Yahoo! server, it does not appear to require authenticated login if the source is a registered Rogers IP address and the from: address is a rogers.com address. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to geestring
said by geestring :yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers... something in outlookk... Definitely something in MS Outlook Express. Some mail providers giving access to port 587 are requiring STARTTLS for authentication. MSOE can only do STARTTLS on port 25; I have not found a way to enable STARTTLS on any other port in MSOE.
Also, if smtp.broadband.rogers.com is a Yahoo! server, it should require authenticated log in. When you set up MSOE, do check "My server requires authentication" on the server properties tab. Do not check "Log on using Secure Password Authentication". That is some kind of proprietary MSFT thingy. Shows you where MSFT wants you to go; giving you a little used MSFT-only secure password protocol, but not a more widely used generic secure password protocol!
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB | reply to spyre99
said by spyre99 :
I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts.
Don't bother...Sympatico blocks port 25 too. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
oh i did change the port.... I didnt add :587 though... should try that as well... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to geestring
Probably the way you're specifying the port number.
I don't use LookOut, so I can't speak from experience but this looks like it should help you to change the port ... it's not simply adding a :587 after the server name like some servers.
»products.secureserver.net/email/···look.htm |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to sbrook
yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers...
something in outlookk... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to geestring
geestring ... you didn't set something up right. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to spyre99
And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it.
Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port. |
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spyre99
@cable.rogers
| reply to geestring
I just want to say that this is really upsetting me.
I'm a student and I can't send emails through my University of Toronto account anymore because of Rogers.
Its pretty much the straw that broke my back, I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
I used that smtp and it says the server rejected my email address... which is my own email... |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to geestring
smtp.broadband.rogers.com |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
k whats the smtp address for rogers then? |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to geestring
said by geestring :supposedly my servers use an alternate port as well 587... I still get an error though... does rogers block 587 as well? What outgoing error are you getting? Should be something like 0x800CCC--. Are the outgoing server settings correct? Are you required to use authentication - username/password? Do you need to turn on Secure Socket Layer - SSL?
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB | reply to sbrook
There's a 3rd choice but it's not common. Some servers allow you to use email programs to connect using HTTP servers and not the POP & SMTP servers. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
supposedly my servers use an alternate port as well 587... I still get an error though... does rogers block 587 as well? |
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