geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express...
oh i did change the port.... I didnt add :587 though... should try that as well... |
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mordin
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join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB | reply to spyre99
said by spyre99 :
I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts.
Don't bother...Sympatico blocks port 25 too. |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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said by geestring  :yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers... something in outlookk... Definitely something in MS Outlook Express. Some mail providers giving access to port 587 are requiring STARTTLS for authentication. MSOE can only do STARTTLS on port 25; I have not found a way to enable STARTTLS on any other port in MSOE.
Also, if smtp.broadband.rogers.com is a Yahoo! server, it should require authenticated log in. When you set up MSOE, do check "My server requires authentication" on the server properties tab. Do not check "Log on using Secure Password Authentication". That is some kind of proprietary MSFT thingy. Shows you where MSFT wants you to go; giving you a little used MSFT-only secure password protocol, but not a more widely used generic secure password protocol!
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Actually, while smtp.broadband.rogers.com is indeed a Yahoo! server, it does not appear to require authenticated login if the source is a registered Rogers IP address and the from: address is a rogers.com address. |
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geestring
join:2004-07-10 | reply to geestring
do you think its just an "express" problem... isnt outlook 2003 or whatever different? |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | I know nothing about how Outlook 2003 handles secure log ins. I have only tested MSOE. It will only do STARTTLS on port 25.
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courtvb
join:2004-12-02
m5r3z2
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said by sbrook :And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it. Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port. I work at the UofT help desk and we deal with this issue almost every day it seems. We don't offer an alternate port for email. However as we tell everyone, which has been posted here, it is no big deal. Just change your smtp server to use rogers, and make sure you authenticate the outgoing connection with your Rogers username and password and your all set, still looks like the message is coming from your UofT account, unless someone feels the need to actually go through the message headers, which would be not be the norm.
As for Sympatico, they also do this, and actually to some extent it is worse. Sympatico also blocks the standard outgoing smtp port for all 3rd party servers, however they do not require outgoing server authentication with a sympatico username and password. What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched. |
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mordin
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join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| said by courtvb : What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched. For the outgoing server turn on SSL and checkmark 'My server requires authentication' and enter the email address & password.
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to courtvb
I am surprised that UofT has NOT yet implemented alternate port SMTP submission being that the MSA approach is becoming so highly recommended AND that UofT Computing is supposedly at the forefront! |
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