Wills
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Port Charlotte, FL
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Re: "Random..."
said by TKJunkMail  :The news item never did say how they determined it was a gunfire downed telephone line. And how did they know it was random and not some kid trying to cut the line on purpose. This happens all the time in rural areas. The insulators on telephone poles that run through the woods are popular practice targets of hunters.
And given the fact that we are in the fall, now is hunting time.
I think you guys are looking way to deep into a simple case of "shit happens".
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by Wills :This happens all the time in rural areas. The insulators on telephone poles that run through the woods are popular practice targets of hunters. If they ever catch the people who are responsible then the telegraph company should make them pay for all of the costs incurred for performing the repair. The individuals should also be held criminally responsible for negligent usage of firearms and if someone who needed to call 911 could not. Given how much lineman overtime can be, this will quickly discourage other people from doing the same thing.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by pnh102 :said by Wills :This happens all the time in rural areas. The insulators on telephone poles that run through the woods are popular practice targets of hunters. If they ever catch the people who are responsible then the telegraph company should make them pay for all of the costs incurred for performing the repair. The individuals should also be held criminally responsible for negligent usage of firearms and if someone who needed to call 911 could not. Given how much lineman overtime can be, this will quickly discourage other people from doing the same thing. I'm sure they'd throw the book at someone for this (at least I hope they do). Unlawfully discharging a firearm into communications lines that carry emergency service? If somebody died as a result of not being able to reach 911, the individual could be prosecuted for manslaghter arising from negligence.
Catching someone in a rural area shooting at remote phone lines, however, is a much harder matter. |
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Hickerx2
God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY
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said by Wills : This happens all the time in rural areas. The insulators on telephone poles that run through the woods are popular practice targets of hunters. Not quite
"hunters" do not shoot at telephone insulators.
Common dysfunctional people with no normal brainwaves do it. |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Yes, hunters do. As with anything in life you have responcible hunters that know better and irresponcible hunters that know better but don't care.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by Wills :Yes, hunters do. As with anything in life you have responcible hunters that know better and irresponcible hunters that know better but don't care. I think it's semantics here: when somebody shoots at a powerline they lose the right to call themselves a "hunter"  |
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Hickerx2
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Franklinville, NY
| said by vpoko : I think it's semantics here: when somebody shoots at a powerline they lose the right to call themselves a "hunter" Quite correct;) |
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cableties
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| Telephone pole hunters object to that!
"A hunter is to check his target, its foreground and background before shooting." From the hunter-safety manual.
How many hunters actually do this??? I wonder if any.
Then again, must have been a HUGE deer that the hunter missed for the bullet to hit the wire insulator!  |
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LegoPower77
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Arlington, VA
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Unless it was union thugs
Unless of course, they were union members pursuing "legitimate union objectives."
In the Unites Sates v. Enmons 410 U.S. 396 (1973) case, three members of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) were indicted for firing high-powered rifles at three utility company transformers, draining the oil from a transformer, and blowing up a substation.
However, the U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, dismissed the charges on the grounds that, in the context of a strike, the militants' actions were not illegal since they were in pursuit of "legitimate" union objectives. On direct appeal, a divided Supreme Court affirmed 5-4.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by LegoPower77 :Unless of course, they were union members pursuing "legitimate union objectives." In the Unites Sates v. Enmons 410 U.S. 396 (1973) case... That isn't a very accurate summary of the case.
The court held that a specific federal law dealing with interruption of interstate commerce could not be used in this case. The court even suggested in its opinion that these people could be tried on more appropriate state charges. The issue here is federalism. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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"hunters"
Around here, hunting season is sometimes called "the invasion of armed drunk suburban trespassing a**holes" season. |
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LegoPower77
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Re: Unless it was union thugs
Federalism. As if. . .
The courts routinely use interstate commerce to encroach on states' rights. (Medical marihuana, anyone?)
That being said, in this case, the court didn't rule the way it did on interstate commerce grounds, making it a constitutional ruling; if it had, congress would have to change the Constitution (or enact a law out of the purview of the court) to change the situation. The currently introduced Freedom from Union Violence Act (H.R. 239/S. 618) would be moot if enacted.
If the court had found against the specific law, the Federal Anti-extortion law (Hobbs Act) would have been thrown out in it's entirety. The Hobbs Act defines extortion as "the obtaining of property by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence or fear. . ."
Congress had enacted the Hobbs Act specifically to eliminate the safe harbor for "legitimate" union goals. Nonetheless, the Court noted that the IBEW’s destruction of company property was part of a strike for higher wages. Since the demand for higher wages could not be considered "wrongful," neither could the use of violence to gain higher wages.
It was that word "wrongful" upon which the court's decision hinged. So now, the Hobbs injunction against extortion applies to rival businesses or individuals, just not to union members pursuing so-called "legitimate" union objectives.
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