Grail Knight
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Re: What good is it...
Your idea unregistered user does not hold up.
Hypothetically ff Company A makes the best heart replacements available yet as a subsidiary sells music cds with rootkits and I find myself in need of a new heart it is doubtful I will go with Company B's lesser quality heart replacement whom also does not sell music.
In other words I would not boycott Company A just because their music ventures are less then perfect just for the sake of proving some go nowhere point.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
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It doesn't work that way Sony Music/BMG is a totally different company than all of the other Sony companies. In other words not buying that Walkman or Playstation isn't going to affect Sony Music. Not watching that Sony Pictures movie will only hurt the movie house, which it totally separate from the rest. If Sony Music flounders and dies the other Sony companies will move forward as if nothing happened because their business (and revenue) have nothing to do with them.
As a matter of fact Sony Electronics was on the other opposite side of Sony Music a couple years ago when the RIAA was trying to legislate hardware DRM on music players and computer hardware. Sony Electronics fought along with Intel, Samsung and others against the move. |
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iotastorm
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Well if you really want to dent a corporation, you don't just boycott only the "CD department"(in this case). You really HAVE to boycott it all. If you don't the other departments 'shoulder the burden' of keeping the CD department up and floating until it blows over. Hence nothing happens.
If you could get 10% of the Sony consumers to call/write stating that we will not buy/support any/Sony product for a period of 2 years and really follow up and tell their friends not to, after a quarter or two, the profits/sales drops and they may pay attention.
Getting the people to stand up and do this is the big factor. |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
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said by radarman  :...- so I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate being treated like a criminal for having the audacity to *buy* a product. Exactly! |
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
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First, I probably won't be buying anymore Sony CD's on principle - and then, only if there is no alternative (Sony does carry a very large classical collection)
If it does have this crap on it, I will simply use an intelligent ripper to create a new, safe, CD-R for use anywhere. I don't pirate music, and I don't supply it to others - so I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate being treated like a criminal for having the audacity to *buy* a product.
The real crime is that this all mess takes space that could have been used for actual music. I suspect they could include at least one, perhaps two, standard PCM streams in the space they wasted on the DRM crippled versions. |
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Grail Knight
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join:2003-05-31 | reply to B
Thanks.
That is what I got out of it also.
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Good catch there. It seems they haven't backed down AT ALL about their rootkit DRM's legitimacy. They're simply offering another purportedly effective way to remove "the component getting public attention"!
That page reads as if the XCP rootkit CDs are perfectly legitimate and will continue to be sold and supported...?
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Grail Knight
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Evidently they think some would do it.
Did you read their whole EULA for the tool or gloss over it?
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said by Grail Knight :Now if I have all this info right and please correct me if I am wrong but you have to reintroduce the root kit to play the cds that were supposed to be pulled from stores?  Who would do that? They are offering a non-DRM'd replacement CD or a refund for anyone who wants it.
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Grail Knight
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if you wish to play a CD protected with XCP it will be necessary to reinstall the XCP software in accordance with that CD's End User License Agreement after you insert the disc into your computer.
Now if I have all this info right and please correct me if I am wrong but you have to reintroduce the root kit to play the cds that were supposed to be pulled from stores?
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