allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternatives
One of my clients in Markham, Ontario currently is spending about $150 a month for a single channel (64k) ISDN connection with a faxed IP.
I have checked with Bell and DSL is not available on their street.
Rogers wants about $6,500 to dig and place cables.
I am out of ideas at this time as to how to make a significant improvement in their bandwith.
They need at least one fixed/static IP address.
What reasonably priced alternatives does my client have to increase their bandwith?
Thank you in advance.
Allan C. |
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HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati
Good lord, $150 for 64k ISDN. Try these guys, they offer two way satellite as well as point to point wireless.
»www.broadbandontario.com/
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| said by HiVolt  :Good lord, $150 for 64k ISDN. Try these guys, they offer two way satellite as well as point to point wireless. » www.broadbandontario.com/ We are running an application that requires almost 100% uptime with the fixed IP. In a nutshell, it is something called 'AS/2 Communication' which is a form of EDI. My client can be fined thousands of dollars if the service is unrealiable.
They would also be using this connection for E-mail (using Microsoft Exchange) and browsing. There would be up to 15 users at a time.
Do you still think that I should contact the above? |
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HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Nah, then wireless isnt for you, and satellite DEFINITELY isn't for you.
If its such important and critical service, why don't they just pony up and pay Rogers what they want? Its as close as you're gonna get to a reliable connection and more bandwidth.
Rogers does offer static IP dedicated busines service for about $200/month if I recall.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Thought I heard something about Terago offering SLA type services with their wireless stuff... Might be an avenue but normally I'd tend to agree with HiVolt.... DSL or Cable are pretty much the only options for cost sensitive solutions.
Bell's supposed to be coming out with SLA type DSL services soon (maybe with the coming of DSL2) but it's not going to help you right now unfortunately.
To be quite frank.... I'd say, if they're looking at thousands of dollars of fines for downtime, they should be looking at an Ethernet (E1/T1, 10Mbps) or ATM solution (DS1/DS3).... If you look around you might be able to spot a few companies that do DS1 solutions for a couple hundred per month.
Rocky
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt :Rogers does offer static IP dedicated busines service for about $200/month if I recall. Actually, I spoke to Rogers several times in the past week.
The prices on their WEB site are outdated.
Their current offering is about $99 per month with no contract and 5 static IP's with another $15 for hosting.
I know my client very well.
He would rather pay the $150 for 64k than pay $6,500 up front for multiple mb and $100 a month. |
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :To be quite frank.... I'd say, if they're looking at thousands of dollars of fines for downtime, they should be looking at an Ethernet (E1/T1, 10Mbps) or ATM solution (DS1/DS3).... If you look around you might be able to spot a few companies that do DS1 solutions for a couple hundred per month. I have to admit that I am not that familiar with all of these terms such as E1, DS1/DS3 but ...
Wouldn't they use the Bell lines that are already laid down?
If so, and the lines don't support DSL (according to Bell), how would these other technologies be supported?
BTW - what is E1, DS1/DS3?
TIA. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
1 edit | For the most part they would use Bell lines yes.... DS1s are actually very old solutions and can be carried just about anywhere.
Companies like Bell, Sprint, GT, Megatrade (just bumped into them recently) can do this. Pricing for DS1 (approx. 1.5Mbps) can vary from $150/month to $4000/month.... the cost will mostly depend on the distance needed to deliver the service.
You might need to read up on this stuff before diving in to questioning any of the above as I believe there are many flavours available for DS1 type solutions (ie: TDM, etc...). I'm thinking, based on your questioning, you'd probably enjoy the read as it would no doubt broaden your broadband options spectrum.
Regards,
Rocky
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donoreo
Premium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON
| reply to allanc1
Take a look at Terago. They do offer SLA's. We use them at work in Markham and they are quite reliable. You can also try Mipps (now owned by Primus) for wireless. I have used it in the past and it was quite reliable as well.
We got Terago because it is cheaper than a T1 for us.
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :You might need to read up on this stuff before diving in to questioning any of the above as I believe there are many flavours available for DS1 type solutions (ie: TDM, etc...). Will do.
Thank you. |
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| reply to donoreo
said by donoreo :Take a look at Terago. They do offer SLA's. We use them at work in Markham and they are quite reliable. I will call them.
Thank you for the suggestion. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| I certainly wouldn't go with a cable solution ... let alone with Rogers ... if he needs high uptime ... and even a DSL solution isn't good for the service level he needs.
I think the problem here is that you have a client that wants the moon and wants to get there with a pair of cheap roller skates! The two are just incompatible. Personally speaking were this my client, I'd be looking for a different client to work with! |
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK
·SaskTel Saskatchewan
| reply to allanc1
said by allanc1 :I know my client very well. He would rather pay the $150 for 64k than pay $6,500 up front for multiple mb and $100 a month. well, He either needs to pay the $$ to upgrade his service, or stop complaining
Like was said before, DSL/Cable aren't really SLA driven, and he should probably be looking at getting a T1 or something similar |
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :I certainly wouldn't go with a cable solution ... let alone with Rogers ... if he needs high uptime ... and even a DSL solution isn't good for the service level he needs. I think the problem here is that you have a client that wants the moon and wants to get there with a pair of cheap roller skates! The two are just incompatible. Personally speaking were this my client, I'd be looking for a different client to work with! Well, he mostly satisfied with the uptime of the Primus ISDN. Would you say that Rogers & DSL are * less * reliable?
I do not think that I agree with you that he wants the moon.
The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers. It is a short distance away. The problem is that the cables are buried. According to Rogers if they could string an aerial cable there would be no extra charge. The box that they would have to dig from is accross the street and therefore they need to 'dig'.
BTW - he has been a great client for about 17 years and we have a great relationship. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Even Rogers standard business connection doesn't offer a service level agreement (unless you go for a private contract with Rogers) ... but then you pay more.
Any company is looking at fines for non-availability needs a service with a service level agreement. That is ... some kind of guarantee of service from the provider. There are precious few companies that offer service level agreements until you start paying for T1 type service. (1.5Mbps up / down)
In that sense it looks like he's asking the moon. |
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| said by sbrook :There are precious few companies that offer service level agreements until you start paying for T1 type service. (1.5Mbps up / down) In that sense it looks like he's asking the moon. Ah, I understand your point now.
Well, he currently does not have any sort of guaranteed uptime with the ISDN. I do not think he is expecting anything in writing with a higher speed at a reasonable cost. He understands that a guarantee would cost more. |
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nyt
join:2003-02-20
france
| reply to allanc1
said by allanc1 :The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers. why not setting up a wireless link with a Rogers customer across the street then? cheap and efficient. |
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allanc1
join:2002-11-01
North York, ON
| said by nyt :said by allanc1 :The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers. why not setting up a wireless link with a Rogers customer across the street then? cheap and efficient. Wireless security would be one reason.
Also, my client wants to retain control as opposed to 'subcontracting'. |
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Bskll
join:2004-02-02
Toronto, ON
clubs: | reply to allanc1
Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternatives
ever thought about cogeco fiber? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati
In a Rogers area? |
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