Gelroos
Mad Mage
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join:2003-05-23
Wilmington, DE
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Re:Oh nooooossss111!1!1....I'm Shortsighted
I fail to see why the fact that RCN may be filtering and/or throttling the access that their customers are paying for LEGALLY invites a sarcastic rejoinder. Are you involved in any OSS projects? I get almost all of my ISO's via torrents... Maybe some people with limited vision of what this may lead to can be blase about such behaviour, but if it wasn't for all of the people who work to find these issues and then COMPLAIN about them publicly, you would find the ISP's actually creating and LEGALLY implementing the whole "two-tiered" internet that we have been hearing about recently.
Would you be happy paying an extra $10/month for the same access you are supposed to have today? And if you don't, you can't access certain subnets, or use certain protocols.
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
1 edit | I'm sorry, but I don' have time to answer you properly, I'm too busy trying to find an alternate source for movie trailers... |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by joebear29  :I'm sorry, but I don' have time to answer you properly, I'm too busy trying to find an alternate source for movie trailers... Oh, well I use torrents for legal downloads. Perhaps you should just go turn yourself in and let us legitimate users have a legitimate discussion. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
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said by Gelroos :Would you be happy paying an extra $10/month for the same access you are supposed to have today? And if you don't, you can't access certain subnets, or use certain protocols. Yeah, I'd love to see mark up port 80 as a "throttled" service, and see how that one blows over.  |
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Gelroos
Mad Mage
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join:2003-05-23
Wilmington, DE | How about Port 80 to any outside networks that your ISP doesn't have an advantageous peering agreement with? |
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rawwhide
Zer0
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join:2000-09-03
Zero
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said by joebear29 :I'm sorry, but I don' have time to answer you properly, I'm too busy trying to find an alternate source for movie trailers... Yeah I bet. I wonder what people will think 20 years from now when you have to pay extra to be able to play on line games, send/receive emails, FTP, or use any other type of internet access besides web browsing. Throttle/Block ports except port 80, that's a scary perspective, but if people like myself who are vocal about these issues don't' speak up it very well could become reality.
Big ISP, "yeah, that will be an extra 10 dollars a month to be able to open our email port on your modem." I like to see what you would say to that, because that's where this is headed. It doesn't' stop at email ports either. Usenet, FTP, on line games, or anything other than your web browsing. I can see ISP's doing this too. After all, companies are only out to make money.
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B
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Completely correct!
It started with Port 25 blocks (which some foolishly continue to defend as necessary for overall spam prevention).
Then locally hosted inbound server ports of all kinds were blocked, from WWW to Mail to FTP.
It continued with known worm ports (with somewhat more justification but still an abridgement of Internet access and utility for some).
Then it extended to "throttling" and bandwidth shaping and tiering of VPN and VoIP and other services.
Then ISPs started eliminating services like in-house Usenet and chat servers.
Every time the sheep-like customers accept yet another restriction on their Internet connection (and far too few even know what term means) it portends a darker future for all of us...
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23
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said by B :Every time the sheep-like customers accept yet another restriction on their Internet connection (and far too few even know what term means) it portends a darker future for all of us... .
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WareWolF2k
join:2000-11-14
Allentown, PA
| reply to Gelroos
Re:Oh nooooossss111!1!1....I'm Shortsighted
said by Gelroos :Would you be happy paying an extra $10/month for the same access you are supposed to have today? And if you don't, you can't access certain subnets, or use certain protocols. I have to pay $65.00 extra per month to get uncapped internet. I am not HAPPY about it but since there is no competition I deal with it. |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
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Blocking out going ports is simply retarded. I know one game used a port (upd port) that was 1 higher than a common worm port at the time for their server. Some idiot tech for a major au isp blocked it instead of the worm port. They blocked some 1000+ customers from accessing the game they were paying to play. My god the number of tickets about that was stagering. Nearly all the 1k players posted. Why in the hell the isp edecided to block a outgoing port ill never know.
As for the legality of bit torrent downloads theres no question pirated software and movies make it on there but the number of games and other software companies distributing their programs on bit torrent is unbeleivable. Youd be hard pressed to find one new game or peice of free ware trial ware etc software that doesnt have a bit torrent download option.
Comapnies have embraced bit torrent big time. It saves them a ton of money in band width costs.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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said by Thaler :said by Gelroos :Would you be happy paying an extra $10/month for the same access you are supposed to have today? And if you don't, you can't access certain subnets, or use certain protocols. Yeah, I'd love to see mark up port 80 as a "throttled" service, and see how that one blows over. A throttled Port 80 already exists. Cablevision (Optimum Online) just announced a new 30/2 Speed Tier that allows you to run your own Web and SMTP Servers. What they do not document (but has been discovered by those who have purchased this tier and activated one or both of the ports) is that these ports are throttled to 128kbs if activated (thus rendering them relatively useless). |
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