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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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 ·XMission
| reply to adsldude
Re: Qwest High Speed Subscriber Service Agreement
You gotta use an approved modem?
- Nope, but they do not promise it will work or not fry your house and data, you are on your own as far as service.
You can't run any servers?
- sounds like it, but can you run a private server that is not for public information? And does it matter if you have a real ISP and not qwest as an ISP?
You could pay to $5 per spam?
- Ought to be more, but what happens if you get hacked? Even the pros have been buggered by the bad guys.
No sharing service outside your home?
- Ummm....they do say one residence. But if you are with a real ISP, then does it matter? Or is it the line? I get the impression it is only if you use qwest as the ISP.
Someone misuses your wireless, your responsible?
- makes sense to me, but at least they could HELP prosecute the abuser.
Also, they can change the rules on you and you have no recourse, but you have to follow the rules or else lose your first born. Over half the PDF seems to be saying "we own you".
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adsldude
always learning
Premium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
| Seems like they are attempting to tighten the acceptable uses: Here are some quotes:
"If you do not purchase or rent a modem from Qwest you must provide a modem from the list at:" »www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/index.html
- BTW, that means you can't even use a Cisco 678 since it's not listed.
"Service may only be used in the U.S. and you may not use Service to host any type of server, personal or commercial."
- What exactly is a server??? Is it anything that accepts an inbound connection and responds? Look out, that covers a lot of applications and devices!
"If actual damages cannot be calculated reasonably, you agree to pay Qwest liquidated damages of five U.S. dollars ($5.00) for each piece of spam transmitted from or otherwise connected to your account."
- I hope your XMas email is welcomed by all or they may report you as a spammer. Also, make sure your email server doesn't have an open relay that some spammer uses to bounce email. Wait, I forgot, no servers so that shouldn't happen!
"You may connect multiple computers/devices within a single home or office location to your modem and/or router to access the Service, but the Service may only be used at the single home or office location for which the Service was provisioned by Qwest"
- Pretty clear that wireless broadcast to your neighbor is a no-no!
"You are responsible for all use of your Service regardless of the source of the transmission, whether by you, or an authorized or unauthorized third party, over your Service."
- Don't let anybody crack your wireless encryption and go on a porn fest!
This applies to all Qwest DSL users regardless of which ISP you use. Only a limited number of rules in Sections 2(b) ii-v apply specifically to qwest.net type users.
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msj
Premium
join:2004-05-21
Fort Collins, CO
·Qwest.net
| said by adsldude  :Seems like they are attempting to tighten the acceptable uses: Here are some quotes: "If you do not purchase or rent a modem from Qwest you must provide a modem from the list at:" » www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/index.html - BTW, that means you can't even use a Cisco 678 since it's not listed. Of course, this is fairly unenforceable, since it would be difficult to determine remotely what modem is being used. When I go to that site the Cisco 678 is still listed. I would also note that you don't quote the rest of the paragraph which makes things a little less clear. I can easily see an interpretation which says that if you don't use a modem from the approved list it just means that you are on your own, and you may be liable for any damage to Qwest equipment caused by your use of non approved equipment.
said by adsldude :"Service may only be used in the U.S. and you may not use Service to host any type of server, personal or commercial." - What exactly is a server??? Is it anything that accepts an inbound connection and responds? Look out, that covers a lot of applications and devices! This one concerns me. A lot of ISP's have this clause, but they don't sell static IP addresses. What does Qwest think that people want static IP's for? Why offer them for sale if they don't want you to actually take advantage of them? I can certainly see them not allowing a commercial website, or a service that has high usage (of course, defining when the line is crossed may be difficult). But personal websites, personal email servers, inbound connection services (VPN, ssh, etc), small personal game servers, etc. should be allowed.
If they start enforcing this I will either find another ISP or drop DSL completely and switch to a wireless ISP. | |
AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
 ·Comcast
| said by msj :said by adsldude :Seems like they are attempting to tighten the acceptable uses: Here are some quotes: "If you do not purchase or rent a modem from Qwest you must provide a modem from the list at:" » www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/index.html - BTW, that means you can't even use a Cisco 678 since it's not listed. Of course, this is fairly unenforceable, since it would be difficult to determine remotely what modem is being used. When I go to that site the Cisco 678 is still listed. I would also note that you don't quote the rest of the paragraph which makes things a little less clear. I can easily see an interpretation which says that if you don't use a modem from the approved list it just means that you are on your own, and you may be liable for any damage to Qwest equipment caused by your use of non approved equipment. That was my interpretation as well: They don't want to provide tech support for non-standard equipment.
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to msj
said by msj :said by adsldude :"Service may only be used in the U.S. and you may not use Service to host any type of server, personal or commercial." - What exactly is a server??? Is it anything that accepts an inbound connection and responds? Look out, that covers a lot of applications and devices! This one concerns me. A lot of ISP's have this clause, but they don't sell static IP addresses. What does Qwest think that people want static IP's for? Why offer them for sale if they don't want you to actually take advantage of them? I can certainly see them not allowing a commercial website, or a service that has high usage (of course, defining when the line is crossed may be difficult). But personal websites, personal email servers, inbound connection services (VPN, ssh, etc), small personal game servers, etc. should be allowed. If they start enforcing this I will either find another ISP or drop DSL completely and switch to a wireless ISP. My interpretation of the intent is that they want to be able to point to this agreement and shut down people that are using large amounts of bandwidth. (Of course I'm interpreting based on how things work with my Comcast connection, people can run servers, they just have to avoid being a nuisance.)
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nutria
join:2005-09-11
Morgan City, LA
| reply to msj
As long as users continue to use Qwest or any RBOC they are helping to speed up the demise of the independent ISP's. Every month another independent ISP either is forced to sell his/her customer base to Regional ISP or RBOC or go out of business. The FCC has unleashed the giants with monopoly thinking and truck loads of money to wage war on Cable and Independant ISP's. The Cable guys have enough money to fight and they actually will enjoy some benefits from the RBOC changing the landscape. They can use the benefits the RBOC create while let the RBOC take the heat and consumers take the shaft. | |
christcorp
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join:2001-05-21
Cheyenne, WY
 ·VOIPo
·Bresnan Online
| So, in a town like where I'm at, you would prefer that I spend more money, for less bandwidth, om a company with minimal support, just to make a point? Mp thanks.
I am all for open and free competition. That doesn't mean however that subsidies need to be given to the competition. For the longest time, the RBOC's had to least their lines to the CLEC's at BELOW MARKET COST so the CLEC could offer the customer a $3 better phone bill and the CLEC could make money too. Yea, that's real fair too.
Instead of 100 private isp's in the area, maybe the private ISP's should get together and do some merging so that they can have a better customer and resource base. It's a lot easier for 5 local ISP's to compete with 1 RBOC than it is for 20 local ISP's to try and compete with the RBOC and the other 19 local ISP's.
I don't blame Qwest for having a better product. For Microsoft for building a better mousetrap, etc... If anyone wants to compete, fine, excellent. Do it by getting together with others, combining talents and capital, go after a strategic market, then build and grow from there. The big companies shouldn't have to be punished because a town of 100,000 people happen to have 50 people trying to do startup businesses reselling Bandwidth.
For what it's worth, the private WIRELESS ISP's are doing real well. They are competing in a market that Qwest and others can't do, and they are reaching customers that Qwest can't reach. Good for them. I'm not going to condone special treatment in order to start a business. That's almost as bad as how some people get "Special" load rates to start a business. It's suppose to stimulate economic growth, but instead the average person has to pay higher loan rates so the banks can make up for their loss. Later... Mike... | |
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