elvey
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San Francisco, CA
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Re: Good for Shapiro
said by packetscan  :Depends.. Do you need to close the road at all? -the township might require a police officer(s) to direct traffic. Is it going in the ground? - survey fees, researching other utilities in the area, cost of materials. Are you using Overhead poles? Who owns these poles? do they require rent? There are so many little things to think about including supplies, man power, depreciation on tools and vehicles. If you have to open the road, Open your checkbook. I had to fix a 4x6 ft section of roadway after fixing a sewer line. that was 5k. So dropping conduits must be about the same ball park. Yes, costs add up fast, but this is a 'rural' area. So I assume everything is above ground. (I wonder how rural 'rural' is...). Rental costs don't factor into the figure in question. I wonder how long a cable signal (TV/Broadband) can go in COAX and how it compares to DSL over UTP.
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packetscan
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
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Depends..
Do you need to close the road at all?
-the township might require a police officer(s) to direct traffic.
Is it going in the ground?
- survey fees, researching other utilities in the area, cost of materials.
Are you using Overhead poles? Who owns these poles? do they require rent?
There are so many little things to think about including supplies, man power, depreciation on tools and vehicles.
If you have to open the road, Open your checkbook.
I had to fix a 4x6 ft section of roadway after fixing a sewer line. that was 5k. So dropping conduits must be about the same ball park.
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shapiro44
join:2004-03-01
Highland, NY | reply to footballdude
Cablevision put up a new node in my neighborhood.
Not right on my pole but close enough. |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
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said by elvey :I guess it's not obvious to some, but it's obvious to me that it doesn't cost 20 grand to run cable a few hundred feet in a rural area. Perhaps it was necessary to install some sort of high speed signal booster as well? That's the problem where I live. My closest CO is DSL ready, but I live just a little too far from it to get DSL. To put in the necessary equipment to boost the signal for my neighborhood would cost around $20,000, or so I'm told. |
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elvey
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San Francisco, CA
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| reply to Cheese
Karl -
Great story.
Thanks.
I guess it's not obvious to some, but it's obvious to me that it doesn't cost 20 grand to run cable a few hundred feet in a rural area.
It's about as credible as the claim that allowing competitors in an oligopoly to merge increases competition.
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FightingBlue
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Wrong. The companies would make more than enough money on such customers if they simply behaved in an efficient manner. Phone companies are required to provide service everywhere, as are power companies. Last time I checked, nether of them were going out of business. It's not that rural users don't deserve broadband, or that it's not profitable, it's that cable companies and others prefer to cater to affluent suburbia rather than offer universal service. If they want to save money, let them eliminate the Junior Vice President of Pencil Shavings, or pay their already ultrawealthy CEO less than $10 million dollars in bonuses this year.
The telecom providers essentially want corporate welfare--guaranteed service agreements, massive cash infusions, and legalized monopoly status--without the need to actually follow through and provide service to anyone they don't feel like. |
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shapiro44
join:2004-03-01
Highland, NY
| reply to Cheese
exactly, Cheese69. Cablevision built the whole neighborhood
to pole #12 on my street. TWC system ends at pole #11. The two cable systems are now 1/10th of a mile a part.
Cablevision spent a special salesman who drove up and down
the road for days. I saw his list one day, maybe 10 days
after he started. He already had 20 customers interested
with columns checked for TV, internet and phone.
All together there are 32 homes here that previously was
in blackholeville and now can have Cablevision. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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said by packetscan :I bet for ever TV commercial and print add that HE has seen The costs associated with such marketing likely would have paid for the install and then some. Exactly. And I don't know for sure, but he can not be the only person on the street. |
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TheGhost
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join:2003-01-03
Lake Forest, IL
clubs: | reply to stnlandr
They should be forced to service this customer because he is part of the area covered by the franchise agreement. They want exclusive rights to an area, they have to service the entire area, not just where they want. |
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packetscan
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | reply to Cheese
I bet for ever TV commercial and print add that HE has seen The costs associated with such marketing likely would have paid for the install and then some.
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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said by TKJunkMail :He got his cable connection. He got to dump on the cable company for making him wait so long. He got a free iPod. He got what he wanted and that is the main thing. Why should he care whether the telco is using his "I hate Cable" story for their own use. That is someone elses problem. This is why.
"The user pleaded with Time Warner Cable for five years to no avail. The company did five surveys to estimate how much it would cost to wire his road, with estimates ranging from $18,000 to $26,000 dollars. Bombarded with service ads, the user says he filed complaints with the NYS Public Service Commission, filed petitions, and attended town board meetings, all to no avail. "
They sent ads to his home for the service, then want him to pay out the nose for it? Wrong. I would have done the same thing if I was in his shoes. They strung him along for 5 years for something they had no plan on giving him unless he gave them that much money? That to me, is utterly wrong. |
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stnlandr
join:2005-07-11
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Tell me this....would you go into a business endeavor knowing that you would lose money on the deal? That's exactly what is going to happen in this situation. It would take a minimum 40 years for the company to make money off this one subscriber. Why should anyone be pressured into doing something like that? Because it's a big cable co.? Or because it's become the american way to whine until you get what you want. |
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Dude
What Happens When I Do This
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join:2000-11-20
Chicago, IL
clubs: | reply to TKJunkMail
i waited 5 years for broadband and i got was thsi stupid ipod
he got his broadband and stood up for himself
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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1 edit |  He got his cable connection.
He got to dump on the cable company for making him wait so long.
He got a free iPod.
He got what he wanted and that is the main thing. Why should he care whether the telco is using his "I hate Cable" story for their own use. That is someone elses problem.
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