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Re: DSLR making S up again?
said by oliphant  :What I'm missing is I read the AUP and under the spam section there was no mention of worms or anything else. Worms are one way that systems are turned into spam-spewing systems. The point the DSLR article is raising, I think, is it right to charge users for spam if their system is zombified before a patch for a vulnerability is found?
For example... Say a worm was written to exploit the new WMF vulerability and before a fix is released, some one writes a worm that uses that vulnerability to install a trojan that runs as a spam generator. Should that user be charged for that spam?
That's the angle I gather...
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1 edit | They aren't saying, "are they right"...they're saying they can with no evidence that they can, will or even would.
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| said by oliphant :They aren't saying, "are they right"...they're saying they can with no evidence that they can, will or even would. Well, considering the ToS is written as they usually are, to be as non-specific as possible, the ToS would give them the right ability to charge per spam message in any situation, regardless of if you are a zombie.
You will pay Qwest's actual damages in any way arising from, or related to, any Spam transmitted by, or in
any way connected to, you, to the extent such actual damages can be reasonably calculated. Seems pretty clear... You spam, we slap you with a "fine." It makes no distinction about how the spam is transmitted. If its simply connected to your account, say via your IP address, its your problem. |
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1 edit | That's my point...DSLR eds take the ball and run with it until someone says something and they quickly change the article from "even if" to "users wonder".
My comments are more about DSLR's continuous editorializing and sensationalizing items (like when they blasted FIOS installers for breaking stuff when it wasn't them...then pulling the story), rather than just sticking to the facts, than the items themselves.
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| Yes, but is it DSLR editorializing or repeating user concerns from the various forums listed?
Users wonder: what if it's the result of oh, say a Windows WMF vulnerability infection? It clearly sounds like Qwest users have some concerns about this ToS section. |
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Corona, CA | DSLR ed CHANGED the news item to say that. It originally said something to the effect of "even if"...nothing about "users wonder".
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| said by oliphant :DSLR ed CHANGED the news item to say that. It originally said something to the effect of "even if"...nothing about "users wonder". Well, when I first read it, I saw the "users wonder" statement... While I don't doubt the possibility that it could have been edited, what I see now doesn't jive, so there's no way I can tell who is telling the truth.
Perhaps, though, the change was done to make it more clear that users in the forums are was prompted that question ?
I don't know though and I prefer not to take sides without all of the facts in front of me to review... I can only debate the article as it is now. |
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Corona, CA | Which I'm guessing is why they changed it. |
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I agree, Oliphant. Without the "spin" to help along the paranoids and the not-happy-no-matter-what-you-do types (which equates to more posts/traffic here), the topic more likely would be not so sensational.
So, Quest puts a clause in place that gives them the power to go after spammers (Good!). You know, the people that probably use 85% of the infrastructure, and the cost thereof gets passed onto you. (What? you thought Quest let that eat into their profits?).
I can think of many more angles why this is GOOD for the users.. but that would not be newsworthy here. |
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