sweintz
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Hamden, CT
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Re: Updated
said by G_Poobah  :Oh my god! Do the posters here have ANY IDEA how the DNS system works? Apparently not I'm guessing. This HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLIENTS DNS SERVER. This has EVERYTHING to do with the registrar acting unilaterally and illegally. Um, They did what their AUP/TOS states they do in cases such as this.
Godaddy, without due process (which is the root cause of the problem),
hardly the case. There was MORE than due process here. They had been warned. They did not take it seriously. They still had phishing pages up, but claimed they did not. That makes them either incompetent or liars.
decided to change the ROOT records of a client, a client who paid for a service. Period. Even godaddy didn't follow their OWN PROCEDURES (7 days notice). That's the cause of the problem. Taking down a root dns, without due process is blatant censorship. Period.
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Combat Chuck
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said by JoshNJ :said by G_Poobah :Taking down a root dns, without due process is blatant censorship. Period. You really want to start that incredibly incorrect argument again?  Oh, the 2 amigos still think they won that one, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to continue citing the double secret amendment that forbids censorship of all kinds everywhere but can only be read by those who know it exists.
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ericdaboy
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They weren't the host of the Data centre.
Please check the thread to get he full story. |
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ericdaboy
join:2005-09-21
West Palm Beach, FL |  reply to odog
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION!!!!! |
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technick
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Loganville, GA
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said by Jonbo298 :The people running the servers shouldve kept their stuff updated (AV/Firewall, etc...) instead of wasting their time posting about their experiences with support. Oh well, its not GoDaddy's fault a server was compromised. GoDaddy took the initiative to ensure the problem didnt spread by cutting off the head temporarily. Then the body comes and complains "I want my head back, I made sure its clean now" In the past 5 years I have managed multiple dedicated servers. While security is a big issue with dedicated servers, if someone wants to compromise your box, there is no stopping. Recently let me share one of my experiences with a datacenter (layeredtech) playing judge, jury and executioner on one of my boxes.
I had a FC3 dedicated box for apache development, and game server hosting. Well I hadn't even fired it up for the game server hosting yet, I didn't have the time to do that. I did have the time to get alot of custom development work done on it and streamlining of zope, apache and squid. Well to make page requests faster I put out Squid to cache my internal site for me, to take some of the load off of Apache during benchmarking to see how high I could push it.
Not a month later my host received an email from the department of homeland security claiming that I might be running a potential insecure proxy. Well my hosting company opened a abuse ticket on my machine and sent me an email saying that I have to fix it with in 24 hours or I would be cut off. I looked and looked on my machine to try to figure out what they were talking about, the only thing squid was doing was caching my local sites. So I get another email from the abuse department with a nmap scan attached demanding something is done with in 4-6 hours. WTF am I supposed to do with this? Are you showing me something I don't know about? Nope... So I finally told them to test my server, try to pass traffic through it. Basically the put up or shut up type of deal.
The point of this story is the abuse departments at large companies are mostly comprised of morons who know nothing of what they are doing. They just blindly hand out abuse tickets and set unreasonable time limits / penalties. I'm lucky I was in town that day to get my email.
I wonder if ICANN has a rule about shutting down a registarar due to complaints coming from another registarar? I love the prices at godaddy, but I would support a lawsuite against them for this and the rude bloggers.
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Agris
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Ugh, what you don't realize is that they are NOT just a registar. They are also a host, so yes they CAN change the root records if they update their servers. Better double check your own information before criticizing others on what an expert you are. |
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cdru
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said by odog :I think godaddy did have some egregious faults, but they also took a step to stop phishing which went unheard by NT. I wonder when NT received the first complaint of abuse? And exactly how long the phishing site was up and functioning? I don't know how long it was before they received their first complaint or how long the phishing site has been running, but from the reports that I've read, the compromised server had been fixed (or at least shut down) for several days before GD pulled the plug.
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JSRoman
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said by TKJunkMail :I hate to say it, but on this one I agree with Poobah. Looks outside and see pigs flying. Cnn is reporting Hell has frozen. Fox new flash "Blizzard in Key West"  |
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odog
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agreed... I wish more abuse departments were as quick to act.
Just that guys voice made me want to slap him, Marc has the most annoying tone I've heard in recent history. He also fails to convey the exact problem... the "whole datacenter down" doesn't say much and he had to have said it 50 times.
I think godaddy did have some egregious faults, but they also took a step to stop phishing which went unheard by NT. I wonder when NT received the first complaint of abuse? And exactly how long the phishing site was up and functioning? It would be very interesting to see how the customer that instigated this whole problem feels about being responsible for this event. |
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kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
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I'm on the fence of this one.
You get what you pay for...if you expect the same service for $2.99 that you would pay Network Solutions $35 for...especially for an fairly large enterprise, you get what you deserve.
GoDaddy may have jumped the gun in shutting off the domain...but I honestly wish that MORE abuse departments were this prompt.
If you listen to the calls on Perkel's blog, apparently the abuse people had sent several notices to the domain owner before finally shutting down the domain. If the domain owner didn't respond, what choice did the abuse people have than to follow their internal escalation process?
Marc Perkel isn't an effective communicator...he's irate on the calls, even if the cause is understandable, but when dealing with human beings, especially human beings that hold your business by the balls, you need some tact and communication skills...he seems to have neither. Furthermore, he seems to have very little technical knowledge of how DNS works. Saying "you've shut down an entire data center" isn't quite the same as explaining that you've disabled the domain that hosts DNS for several hundred customer domains.
On the second phone call, when he's talking to the "office of the president" the rep tells him repeatedly what to do in order to get the issue resolved...Marc just keeps talking over the guy and continues to insist that "it's an emergency situation" and that he will "pay whatever to turn the damn thing back on" ...when all he had to do is read the email sent by the abuse people and ask the executive escalation guy to expedite the process outlined in that email...instead he spends his energy getting the guy to acknowledge that GoDaddy had blundered.
The ONLY thing I can fault GoDaddy for is not escalating the call when Marc called on the night of the DNS change...that customer service rep who claimed to have called his manager should have escalated the call as Marc asked...and then the manager could have decided. But if we're going to start punishing companies for horrible service by people they are paying little more than minimum wage...we're going to be here a while.
If you can believe the blogs, the customer service rep in question has been fired...and that's appropriate. While this will probably get settle in court, what else do you want GoDaddy to do? ...I can't believe I'm actually defending the slimeballs at GoDaddy...but gotta call it as I see it. |
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JoshNJ
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said by G_Poobah :Taking down a root dns, without due process is blatant censorship. Period. You really want to start that incredibly incorrect argument again?
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TKJunkMail
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I hate to say it, but on this one I agree with Poobah. At least the 1st 3 paragraphs part. The last paragraph is a little too harsh for the actions by GoDaddy. If the blogs can be believed, the offending cust svc tech was fired - an appropriate action.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
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Oh my god! Do the posters here have ANY IDEA how the DNS system works? Apparently not I'm guessing.
This HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLIENTS DNS SERVER. This has EVERYTHING to do with the registrar acting unilaterally and illegally.
Godaddy, without due process (which is the root cause of the problem), decided to change the ROOT records of a client, a client who paid for a service. Period. Even godaddy didn't follow their OWN PROCEDURES (7 days notice). That's the cause of the problem. Taking down a root dns, without due process is blatant censorship. Period.
Godaddy should be prosecuted and fined to the fullest extent of the law. Godaddy is no better than a mafia thug who demands protection money from local shopkeepers. Godaddy was given, IN TRUST, the right to manipulate root records. Guess what, you can't do that, I can't do that, only licensed registrars can do that. I look forward to the day that the internic pulls godaddys right to register domains due to abuse of power like this.
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said by Jonbo298 : GoDaddy took the initiative to ensure the problem didnt spread by cutting off the head temporarily. Then the body comes and complains "I want my head back, I made sure its clean now" It would be nice if other companies would react the same way as GoDaddy in cases like this, but more than too often they don't. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| The people running the servers shouldve kept their stuff updated (AV/Firewall, etc...) instead of wasting their time posting about their experiences with support.
Oh well, its not GoDaddy's fault a server was compromised. GoDaddy took the initiative to ensure the problem didnt spread by cutting off the head temporarily. Then the body comes and complains "I want my head back, I made sure its clean now" |
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