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Re: A So Cal place name primer
I was thinking it was the '91 fire because you mentioned the freeze before. The "freeze" I was thinking of was the '98 Winter Solstice Freeze so I was completely off in my dates.  |
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| The Bay Area winter freeze of '90-'91 was the worst I'd ever seen. Temps were in the mid-teens for nearly a week---very unusual for the SF Bay. It wiped out most of the eucalyptus in the hills, but they've recovered since then. After the thaw, people discovered all the water pipes that had burst; the plumbers had a helluva year, I think more than a few of 'em retired in '91 on their windfall. |
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Olvera Street = After the first county judge, Augustin Olvera.
Wilcox = For Harvey Wilcox, founder of Hollywood, so named after his wife Daeida meets a woman on the train who tells her of her summer home named Hollywood.
Loa Angeles = Short version of the name chosen by settlers in 1781: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula (The Village of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of the Porciuncula River).
Culver City = Harry Culver, property owner and founder of Culver City.
Blair Hills, Blairstone St = Named after Blair Stone, grandson of the Stone family, Culver City developers.
Malibu = Bastardization of the Chumash word Humaliwo "where the surf sounds loudly".
Mugu = Bastardization of the Chumash word muwu "beach".
Ventura = Fortune, shortened from Mision San Buenaventura "Mission of the Saint of Good Fortune'
Serra, Junipero Serra = Father Jumipero Serra, missions founder.
Doheny = Edward L. Doheny, early L.A. oil tycoon
Dana Point = Richard Henry Dana, author of Two Years Before The Mast, mentioned the little inlet and headlands of present day Dana Point in his book.
Mission Viejo = Incorrect Spanish for "Old Mission", should be Mision Vieja, as missions are considered feminine.
Cahuenga, Topanga, Tujunga, Cucamonga, Pacoima and Azusa = Tongva place names. The Tongva were the aboriginal peoples of the L.A. basin and western I.E. and south to Aliso Canyon in South Laguna. The Tongva name for Los Angeles before the white man was Yang-na. The San Gabriel area was Sibag-na, and the settlement near the pass to the huge valley was Cahueg-na. Topag-na might translate to "the place above". Present day Azuza was a small Tongva settlement called Asuksag-na. Cucamonga was a settlement named Cucamag-na and might mean "sandy place".
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Covina, CA | reply to CurtesyFlush
Covina = something about an engineer who noticed how the SGV mountains formed a COve around the VINeyArds that were plentiful back in the day? |
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La Mirada: The view (possibily because of the small rolling hills this city has)
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Anaheim: Anna's house
I think i heard this on the radio. Not sure it this is true.
I beleive this is a german word.
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Signal Hill (aka Shell hill):
Early Indians lit fires on this hill to create smoke signals as a form of communication. |
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Cucamonga was a settlement named Cucamag-na and might mean "sandy place" I have also heard it referred to as sandy water, or moving sand. All would fit with the known past history of the Cucamonga river plain and the Santa Ana winds.
Bear Gulch where the Magic Lamb and Sycamore In. are located on Foothill was a camping area for the local Indians. They actually attacked a Mormon Wagon train as it was on its way into then St. Angelous, Now our present day LA.
The Sycamore Inn was built in 1849 as a over night stage stop for travelers on the way from then Mormon Town (San Bernardino) to LA. After the Indian raids the Mormons recalled everyone back To Salt Lake. The leaders felt they were getting to rich. Whats funny or sad depending on how you look at history, the wagon train carrying over $5 million in gold was attacked by either Indians or white men dressed as Indians and destroyed. But the gold was never recovered and believed to be still buried somewhere out by New Berry Springs.
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The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim = The The Angels Angels of Anaheim.
Is there a story to Anaheim? Sounds like "Ana's home" to me. |
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Fontana, CA | "Ana" from the Santa Ana River, "heim" German for home = Home by the Santa Ana River.
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said by CurtesyFlush  :Eucalyptus: Not native. Were brought here from Australia in the 19th century in hopes of being able to use the extremely fast growing tree for railroad tie wood. Problem was, they massively split after a certain amount of time under the sun. The trees in the community of Lake Forest in South Orange County are the remnants of the sprawling forests planted by the entrepreneur responsible for this wooden boondoggle. Hence the name we long time locals call the place: Fake Forest. The euc was widely considered to be Nature's ultimate gift to mankind and promoted heavily by the California Dept of Forestry during the 1870s-1880s and into the early 19th century as a cash crop. It was rumoured to do everything from curing malaria and vinescale on grape vines to making a great base for perfume. It was a great source of potash for industry and believed to both prevent and remove scale from boilers (an important consderation in the era when steam was king).
Have you ever been up the 101 to San Luis Obispo? The largest euc grove I ever saw was on the Nipomo Mesa. stretching from Santa MAria to Arroyo Grande and must've been home to tens of thousands of the trees. I can't vouch for the truth of the following, but it was said to have been planted by a disgraced member of the Polish royal family who had been banished to the US after some affair that stood to embarrass his family. The way the local story went, he planned on making hardwood furniture with the cut wood. And as someone else mentioned, euc splits when it dries. When I lived up there during the 60s , the Mesa was home to every kind of shady and illegal activity you can imagine from cockfights to murder and everything in-between thanks to the cloak of invisibilty provide by the huge, dense grove. I loved exploring it when I was a kid as it offered a blank slate to a kid's overactive imagination. It was definitely not a place to be after the sun set as it became blacker than any other place I've ever been outside of a cave.
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| I've been waiting for you to pop in. Figured you'd have some history of the I.E., as I'm merely a transplant from South OC.
I know the forest you refer to up north. Used to live in SLO and took the 101 route between there and LA many times.
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said by ghostpainter :
The Sycamore Inn was built in 1849 as a over night stage stop for travelers on the way from then Mormon Town (San Bernardino) to LA. After the Indian raids the Mormons recalled everyone back To Salt Lake. The leaders felt they were getting to rich.
IIRC, the San Bernardino Mormons were recalled to Salt Lake to help defend the Utah Mormons against what they feared was an imminent punitive invasion by the US Army to evict the Mormons and guarantee free access to the Oregon Trail after many emigrants encountered problems getting through Utah. After the massacre at Mountain Meadows, that seemed to be a real possibility: » www.archaeology.org/online/featu···ows.html |
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said by CurtesyFlush :I've been waiting for you to pop in. Figured you'd have some history of the I.E., as I'm merely a transplant from South OC. I know the forest you refer to up north. Used to live in SLO and took the 101 route between there and LA many times. I haven't been north of Santa Maria on the 101 since about 1991, but would be very surprised if much of that grove is still intact and free of development. When did you live in SLO? |
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El Segundo - Lastly, this new site needed a name. Richard Hanna's wife, Virginia, deemed this expanse as "El Segundo", (Spanish for "the second one,") because the site was to be Standard Oil's second oil refinery in California (The Point Richmond refinery was already christened as "El Primero"). Sometime later, a group of proud but unknown citizens had nicknamed it "El Segundo a nada" (Spanish for 'second to none')
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I have heard both stories, yours from my uncle who is a Mormon Elder and my dad. Both said that the massacre occured in the southern Calif desserts near Bartstow, present day New Berry Springs.
And they both said that the Mormons were recalled because the leadership felt they were getting too rich and not sending enough tidings back to the main Temple. But as i wrote my uncle also told me the other version as well. As to which history is right, I don't know.
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| No, the Mormon led and manned Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred in Washington County, Utah.
"The Mountain Meadows Massacre stands without a parallel amongst the crimes that stain the pages of American history. It was a crime committed without cause or justification of any kind to relieve it of its fearful character... When nearly exhausted from fatigue and thirst, [the men of the caravan] were approached by white men, with a flag of truce, and induced to surrender their arms, under the most solemn promises of protection. They were then murdered in cold blood."
-William Bishop, Attorney to John D. Lee
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said by Bloominite :When did you live in SLO? 60 - 65.
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I've been reading Jon Krakauer's Under the Banner of Heaven - A Story of Violent Faith. He devotes several chapters to the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
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said by CurtesyFlush :said by Bloominite :When did you live in SLO? 60 - 65. Remember the dinosaur in Shell Beach? Did your family ever go down to Santa MAria to shop at a big White Front style store called AFCO? My stepdad and his brother owned that store and its sister stores in Visalia and Fresno. |
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said by ghostpainter :I have heard both stories, yours from my uncle who is a Mormon Elder and my dad. Both said that the massacre occured in the southern Calif desserts near Bartstow, present day New Berry Springs. And they both said that the Mormons were recalled because the leadership felt they were getting too rich and not sending enough tidings back to the main Temple. But as i wrote my uncle also told me the other version as well. As to which history is right, I don't know. There were several factors involved in the recall, not the least of wqhich was concern over the San Bernardino groups safety amongst all the hostility the Mountain Meadows Massacre stirred up in the Gentile population of California toward the Mormons.Here's an excerpt from: »www.empirenet.com/rdthompson/lane4.html
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In late 1857, the year Aaron Lane came to San Bernardino, a series of incidents occurred in Utah, some quite tragic, which were to have an impact on the development of the desert and all of San Bernardino County. Non-Mormon federal appointees in Utah had reported to Washington that their orders were being ignored and that the Mormons were in a state of rebellion against the laws and authority of the United States.
These reports were given credence, and Alfred Cummings was appointed to replace Mormon leader Brigham Young as governor. Cummings was to proceed to Utah accompanied by an army under the command of Colonel Albert Sidney Johnston. Word reached the Mormons in late July, 1857, that an army had been ordered to Utah to put down the rebellion.
The immediate response of the Mormons was to call on their militia, the Nauvoo Legion, to prepare for battle. Word went out in August that not one kernel of grain was to be sold to any non-Mormon merchant or "sojourner" in Utah; trading with emigrants traveling through the area was considered tantamount to aiding the enemy. Speeches became increasingly inflammatory as preparations were made to repel the oncoming government troops.
Mormon George A. Smith was sent to the southern towns in Utah to deliver military orders and instruct the populace. His preaching was so fiery that it raised the emotions of the citizens to a fever pitch.
In the meantime, Brigham Young met with twelve Indian chiefs from the southern region of the state, presumably to coordinate their support in the upcoming war. Into this climate came a wagon train of California-bound emigrants, which was later identified as the Fancher train, named after one of its leaders.
In mid-September, near a place called Mountain Meadows, all of the adults and older children of the Fancher train, numbering 118 in all, were killed by Mormons from the Cedar City area with the aid of their Indian allies. Only infants considered too young to testify against the murderers were spared.
Word of the massacre reached the Mormon Colony in San Bernardino on October 1st with the arrival of two Mormon freighters, Sidney Tanner and William Mathews, who had passed near the site the day the tragedy occurred. The news first appeared in the Los Angeles Star in the October 3, 1857, issue. Star editor Henry Hamilton, an admirer of the qualities of the San Bernardino Mormons with whom he was familiar, at first refused to believe that Mormons had anything to do with it.
However, when the truth of the atrocity became known, he joined with the rest of the community in calling for justice, although he still distinguished between the vast majority of decent, industrious people he had come to know and the perpetrators of a horrible mass murder. This incident, which became known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre, inflamed the citizens of California, and adversely affected the attitude of the military towards the Mormon community as a whole for years to come.
MORMONS RECALLED TO UTAH
Late in November of 1857 it was reported that there was a "general movement" of Mormons out of San Bernardino, departing for Salt Lake City. Henry Hamilton professed that he did not know why they were leaving, but knew "them to be a peaceable, industrious, and law-abiding community." Hamilton shortly learned they had been called back to Utah.
In a letter dated October 11th and received in San Bernardino on the 30th, Brigham Young thanked local leader William J. Cox for sending animals, teams, arms and ammunition, and then advised him that, in light of the situation, it would be best if the faithful returned to Utah immediately:
...the time appears to be near at hand when you will either have to abandon your faith or your present locality and escape to Utah....San Bernardino has a warm climate and it is highly probable that it may soon become altogether too warm for the residence of Saints, for this reason it is certainly advisable and my counsel that all in your place and region who desire to live as becometh Saints should use all diligence to make their way into Utah....
Mormon historians state that Young actually had planned for some time to recall the faithful from the San Bernardino colony because of dissension among the growing factions in the community, and the events of the fall simply sped things along.
On December 26th the Star reported that approximately 1200 people had heeded the call; 250 wagons had already departed town, and another 30 to 50 families were preparing to do the same. The bitterness of at least one departing Mormon is expressed in a letter he posted from Cajon Pass, in which he said that in his six and one-half years in the state, he had met friends, but "comparatively few, compared with the...hosts of bigoted, selfish, ignorant, and blood-thirsty wretches," and he wished sudden destruction on the state, condemning it "to the curses of Almighty God¾to famine, drought, war, and earthquakes."
There was a large number of Mormons in the colony who were not nearly as anxious to leave the state, and many of them determined not to return to Utah. Not only was the town split in two, but also many families were unable to agree amongst themselves on whether or not to stay, and some of them were divided permanently.
The Mormons said of those who stayed behind that they had abandoned the Church. But to those Latter-day Saints who had remained in San Bernardino, many of whom had followed their leaders all around the country -- some of them for decades -- it must have seemed that the Church instead had abandoned them.
MORMON EXODUS STALLS ON THE MOJAVE
By the middle of January there was a large encampment along the Mojave River consisting of 100 wagons. The pace of the departure had been deliberately slowed because of the "great destitution" in Salt Lake City due to the lack of supplies. The emigrants on the Mojave unselfishly sent their own supplies to Utah to relieve the suffering of their brethren there.
Amasa Lyman, previously a co-leader of the Mormon Colony, was at the river encampment buying supplies, through intermediaries, from his former townsmen. Meanwhile, camp life on the river was taking on the aspects of a settlement, what with the large number of marriages and births occurring as the Mormons patiently waited to continue their exodus.
Johnston's army had reached Utah in November 1857, rather late in the year to begin a campaign in a country known for its frigid weather. As the Army neared Salt Lake City, Colonel Johnston decided to encamp for the winter, a decision that allowed time for cooler heads to prevail and attempt to defuse the situation through peaceful means. Skillful negotiations between the Mormons and the U. S. Government prevented a continuation of hostilities, and by June 1858, the threat of war had ended.
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I don't know. My dad was all over that area as he was the manager of the Security Title and Insurance Co office in SLO.
I recall Pea Soup Anderson coming by the house for supper a number of times, toting a few cases of pea soup each time. Also Karl Birkholm, the owner of Birkholm Bakery in Solvang, and the producer of those famous Danish cookies. We used to spend weekends at his ranch. He'd always bring tubs of those cookies for us, man no wonder I'm a sweetaholic nowadays.
We maintained dual residences in SLO and Capistrano. I'd go to school part time up there, then another part of the year down here.
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