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CableTool
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general Agreed.
Liberal dogs.
Im going to use that map to snif our TOS offenders and Punish accordingly.
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1 edit | Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by CableTool  :Agreed. Liberal dogs. Im going to use that map to snif our TOS offenders and Punish accordingly. They are doing this at their OWN will. They aren't reporting neighbors that have unprotected wifi connections.  | |
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general Everyone above and below this post, Im just f@cking around. I couldnt care less what people do with their connections as long as it doesnt affect my plant.
Go outside and kick a ball...
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BeesTea
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| said by TKJunkMail :Aside from that, is it generally a good idea to share with neighbors? And for that I say no. Two main reasons for that: 1 - it can slow down your connection when you wish it didn't. 2 - your neighbor may be going to sites that are illegal(child porn for an example or P2P uploading) or at the very least embarrassing if the web sites visited by your IP address are subpoenaed for something(divorce, harassment lawsuits, etc.). Both of these problems can be solved with a single solution. The Public IP project. Public IP makes a bootable CD that acts as a network management/network policy enforcement tool. It handles packet shaping which keeps people from consuming all of your bandwidth. More importantly though, it prevents people from sending spam, downloading iso's, mp3's, rar's etc and keeps them from viewing pornography via dansguardian.
I've used this for years at a number of locations (homes and businesses) and never have had a problem with either of the issues you mentioned.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by BeesTea :Both of these problems can be solved with a single solution. The Public IP project. Public IP makes a bootable CD that acts as a network management/network policy enforcement tool. It handles packet shaping which keeps people from consuming all of your bandwidth. More importantly though, it prevents people from sending spam, downloading iso's, mp3's, rar's etc and keeps them from viewing pornography via dansguardian. I've used this for years at a number of locations (homes and businesses) and never have had a problem with either of the issues you mentioned. That is a cool setup. But how many people are going to go to the trouble of devoting a separate PC just to provide internet access to neighbors. I think it is a great way to set up a WiFi hotspot if so inclined, but probably not for the people who may take part in this sharemywifi idea just to help out a neighbor.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by TKJunkMail :That is a cool setup. But how many people are going to go to the trouble of devoting a separate PC just to provide internet access to neighbors. I think it is a great way to set up a WiFi hotspot if so inclined, but probably not for the people who may take part in this sharemywifi idea just to help out a neighbor. I'd guess that neither of us know the answer to that for sure. We could speculate, but obviously it'd be just that. Of all the people I know who've done similar projects 100% of them use Public IP. Granted that 100% is just me though =)
When I decided that might be something I wanted to do, I picked up a newspaper and found someone selling an old 333Mhz system for $20. Bought the machine and a cheap PCI NIC for another $10 and it's been running fine since. For the businesses I've setup with the same, for wifi access while you have your coffee etc, they've purchased new barebones systems with 256MB of RAM and only a CDROM drive. Total cost to them has been around $150.
My point was just that there's a solution to the problems you mention.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by BeesTea :Both of these problems can be solved with a single solution. The Public IP project. Public IP makes a bootable CD that acts as a network management/network policy enforcement tool. It handles packet shaping which keeps people from consuming all of your bandwidth. More importantly though, it prevents people from sending spam, downloading iso's, mp3's, rar's etc and keeps them from viewing pornography via dansguardian. I've used this for years at a number of locations (homes and businesses) and never have had a problem with either of the issues you mentioned. That is a cool setup. But how many people are going to go to the trouble of devoting a separate PC just to provide internet access to neighbors. I think it is a great way to set up a WiFi hotspot if so inclined, but probably not for the people who may take part in this sharemywifi idea just to help out a neighbor. [attachment=1] So long as the ZoneCD machine (as shown in the diagram) does its job, you are partly safe. Just note that ANYTHING that it does allow to occur will be linked to your Assigned IPN (since it is going through the WAN Router and thus will be NAT'ed to the WAN IPN. | |
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| Sweeet:D I have been looking for exactly this. I have nothing against letting people use my connection for simple web browsing and checking their email, specially when nobody is home all day, but I dont want them spamming or downloading porn DVD's through it...
TOS be dammed, I ran Netstumbler on my way to work the other day and in the five whole miles I go to work I recorded 85 access points 62 of them were wide open, 48 of them had SSID's like "Linksys", Netgear54G, ACTIONTEC, Dlink, and even "Default".
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by b10010011 :Sweeet:D I have been looking for exactly this. I have nothing against letting people use my connection for simple web browsing and checking their email, specially when nobody is home all day, but I dont want them spamming or downloading porn DVD's through it... Agreed. It's 2006, the Internet has become an important part of our society. There's been plenty of occasions where I wasn't at home but needed some kind of access. In my opinion sharing some percentage of your capacity via some safe method is a great thing. I've had users who were just passing through the area use it, people who's own connection was down and they needed to look something up online, and even some retired folks who were on a fixed/limited income who couldn't afford broadband at all. To all of those people having a connection available to them is likely a great thing. Internet access is quickly approaching the status of community infrastructure and in my opinion everyone is entitled to at least minimal access (http(s)).
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general "Internet access is quickly approaching the status of community infrastructure and in my opinion everyone is entitled to at least minimal access (http(s))."
Public libraries are great for this.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by RadioDoc :Public libraries are great for this. Apparently so are grass-roots wifi networks.
Curiously, do you have to go to the library to watch TV or listen to the radio? How about at midnight?
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by BeesTea :Sorry, I must have missed the part where anyone asked you to. You're right, no one did. Just adding my 2 cents worth.  | |
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| said by BeesTea :said by RadioDoc :Public libraries are great for this. Apparently so are grass-roots wifi networks. Curiously, do you have to go to the library to watch TV or listen to the radio? How about at midnight? No, but I don't have to sign up for Internet service to watch TV or listen to the radio either.
Internet access is most closely related to books and reference materials, which we as a community have provided at the library for decades. Just as access to said books and other reference material is provided "free" to those who otherwise may not be able to afford it, Internet access is also provided free of charge (including the cost of the computer, even) at almost every library.
There is no compelling need to get online at midnight. If you have that little self control then you have other problems besides lack of a connection to the Internet.
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1 edit | Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by RadioDoc :There is no compelling need to get online at midnight. If you have that little self control then you have other problems besides lack of a connection to the Internet. Agreed, being a 3-11 mill worker is certainly a worse problem than no internet connection. Would suck eating dinner at midnight, and having to watch infomercials as your "prime time". Wouldn't be very fun going to the library at what felt like 4am to you either I suspect.
It's a bummer when your control is less "self" than "work".
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general A 3-11 mill worker (or a 3-11 pizza delivery driver) could easily get up at noon and take care of whatever needed to be taken care of online before going to work.
Self control means not expecting life to bend to your whims.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by RadioDoc :Self control means not expecting life to bend to your whims. I don't follow. Where does "expecting life to bend to your whims" come into play?
Grass-roots wifi isn't about going to your neighbors house and asking them to set up a wireless connection for you. It's about people who realize the value of Internet connectivity and their willingness to share it. If that's a problem to you, then don't share your connection or use a shared link.
Don't act like grass-roots wifi is some kind of miscreant activity catering to the worlds under-achievers. Save that crap for all the people taking advantage of people's networks without the knowledge of the person paying for the link.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general Nice try to twist what I said, but it doesn't fly.
Anyone without Internet access can easily go to the library during library hours and use the computers there.
Wanting to get online at 2 AM (or whenever) just because you want to, and not when the library is open, does not invalidate the freely available access that it provides, provided that the user has enough self control to go do it when the library is open.
This has nothing to do with ad-hoc "grass roots" WiFi networks. Someone (maybe you, I don't really care) mentioned above that this was a good way for people who couldn't afford access to get access. I said the library would be good for that. Then you jumped in with this rambling nonsense.
End of story.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by RadioDoc :End of story. Thanks.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general I would like to know who would die if internet was not available? Let me see, about 20 years ago WIFI nor the internet was not a common place in most places. What did you or anyone else do for your information? Do you own a Library card? Geez, get over yourself. | |
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by Get over yourself :
I would like to know who would die if internet was not available? Let me see, about 20 years ago WIFI nor the internet was not a common place in most places. What did you or anyone else do for your information? Do you own a Library card? Geez, get over yourself.
hahah Agreed, some people can't last a day if the internet is lost at home.
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BeesTea
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Geez, get over yourself.
That about sums up the issue. What kind of person does it take to argue the case against charity? You'd have to be pretty full of yourself.
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| Re: Against TOS for most ISPs and bad idea general said by Who made you King :
It is amazing how you try and justify breaking certain rules.
Who said anything about the justification of rule breaking? If you use an ISP that polices what you do with the capacity you pay for, then that's what you need to consider.
No one told anyone to break any rules. The comment you're replying to doesn't mention any rules at all. Maybe you mean to direct that to the post above the one you replied to.
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