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DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| Re: Copps wants bigger USF; I say kill it said by rileyjam514  :I say, to start, we ought to cut off USF funding for telcos and cablecos that have chosen not to wire rural areas. These rural areas are the ones that are supposed to be benefitting the most from the USF and they are seeing nothing instead. You choose not to do what you said you would do, so we aren't going to pay you. Period. From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. USF (when it works) encourages sprawl. You want to live in an isolated area - pay the price for it, the full price.
The days are long since gone when this country needs to encourage exploration of its undeveloped areas. | |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Copps wants bigger USF; I say kill it said by DonLibes :said by rileyjam514 :I say, to start, we ought to cut off USF funding for telcos and cablecos that have chosen not to wire rural areas. These rural areas are the ones that are supposed to be benefitting the most from the USF and they are seeing nothing instead. You choose not to do what you said you would do, so we aren't going to pay you. Period. From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. USF (when it works) encourages sprawl. You want to live in an isolated area - pay the price for it, the full price. The days are long since gone when this country needs to encourage exploration of its undeveloped areas. So, according to you, people should just pack up and move, to pay a lower price for broadband? Wow, just, wow. | |
| | DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| Re: Copps wants bigger USF; I say kill it said by Cheese :said by DonLibes :said by rileyjam514 :I say, to start, we ought to cut off USF funding for telcos and cablecos that have chosen not to wire rural areas. These rural areas are the ones that are supposed to be benefitting the most from the USF and they are seeing nothing instead. You choose not to do what you said you would do, so we aren't going to pay you. Period. From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. USF (when it works) encourages sprawl. You want to live in an isolated area - pay the price for it, the full price. The days are long since gone when this country needs to encourage exploration of its undeveloped areas. So, according to you, people should just pack up and move, to pay a lower price for broadband? Wow, just, wow. If broadband price is more important to you than your other reasons for living where you do, then yes. | |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| said by Cheese :So, according to you, people should just pack up and move, to pay a lower price for broadband? Wow, just, wow. That's exactly right. 
You want better security, move to a gated apartment complex, an apartment building with full time doormen and restricted access, or a gated, restricted access community. You want better schools, move to an area that has better schools. You want a better job, then move to an area that is economically vibrant. You want a better commute, move to an area closer to your work.
When I moved 3 1/2 years ago, I specifically looked for an apt complex that had a gate, was close to the freeway for my commute and had DSL, Cable and a Southern view for Satellite. I didn't sit on my ass whining about what I expected others to "give" me.
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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| said by DonLibes :From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. ... A very interesting companion to my belief that when you go rural, you make choices--sometimes you pay more for or can't get things (broadband, piano delivery, Thai food) and sometimes you pay less or find it for free (taxes, rent, parking.)
You should just live with the consequences of your choices, and government interference should be limited to those situations where you have a tendency to make a personal choice that significantly bad for the community as a whole (no fly dumping of trash, etc.)
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cdigioia
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join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
 ·Korea Telecom
| Re: Copps wants bigger USF; I say kill it said by calvoiper :said by DonLibes :From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. ... A very interesting companion to my belief that when you go rural, you make choices--sometimes you pay more for or can't get things (broadband, piano delivery, Thai food) and sometimes you pay less or find it for free (taxes, rent, parking.) You should just live with the consequences of your choices, and government interference should be limited to those situations where you have a tendency to make a personal choice that significantly bad for the community as a whole (no fly dumping of trash, etc.) calvoiper Totally agreed... | |
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cdigioia
Premium
join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
·Korea Telecom
| said by calvoiper :said by DonLibes :From an environmentalist point of view, USF should be killed outright. ... A very interesting companion to my belief that when you go rural, you make choices--sometimes you pay more for or can't get things (broadband, piano delivery, Thai food) and sometimes you pay less or find it for free (taxes, rent, parking.) You should just live with the consequences of your choices, and government interference should be limited to those situations where you have a tendency to make a personal choice that significantly bad for the community as a whole (no fly dumping of trash, etc.) calvoiper Totally agreed with the concept for the most part...however, in the specific case of broadband I disagree for two reasons.
The first reason is reason enough for me, the second reason I'm not sure can stand on its own.
1.) Its important to have a very connected nation so that US companies will be encouraged to develop broadband-intensive applications. Otherwise we'll be more likely to fall behind other parts of the world in terms of developing those applications/uses. And things like that tend to have a spiral effect (whether that be upward or downward)
2.) Broadband now, and more so in the future, will drive economic development. As such, its important to get it out to rural areas so that the nation as a whole can grow more economically. I put it in the same category as highways and electrical lines in terms of benefit. Sure its not a necessity...but neither are highways or electrical lines...or reading. People are always going to live in rural areas, so we need to make sure that most have access to broadband for economic development. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: Copps wants bigger USF; I say kill it 1) is essentially the same argument used to justify the postal service (and "post roads", now known as US highways) in the Constitution. An understandable argument, but one which fails when you view government's role as ensuring minimal access to the communications network, not the best access possible. Using this argument to justify universal broadband is like saying that every hamlet and homestead deserves not just a road and rural route mail delivery, but its own 4 lane interstate highway and a 24-hour post office offering special delivery on weekends. If you need more than dial-up, make that a part of choosing where you live.
2) is closer to a routine "economic development" argument than to traditional utility or highway justifications. Broadband may well be in the same category as community development--but then it can compete for funding with other "community development" projects, be they community driven development of office or industrial parks or modification of local conditions to favor deployment. Many communities, for instance, modify zoning laws to encourage various types of economic development. They can similarly modify street and road right-of-way conditions to encourage broadband development, for example. They can grant tax breaks for broadband facilities. But the underlying theme here is that localities can do this in the context of more general programs--not that we should create another huge federal slush fund.
(This is not to say that locally controlled economic development funding is automatically good just because it's locally controlled. One need only review the history of Walmart using locally controlled but federally funded [via federal tax exemption] "industrial" bonds to build retail outlets to see how quickly and far federal funding can wander.)
calvoiper
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