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Re: I love the new encryption scheme!
said by SSX4life  :let us use our connection how we want, and don't dodge the Fu@#$ issues rogers/shaw!!! We know you did it, and we know you lie to us, come out of the closet once and for all.  And are you in Canada? Your profile location says Wisconsin, USA. So how is Rogers or Shaw stopping you from using YOUR connection? Mental telepathy, perhaps??
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GigahertZ420
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by SSX4life :let us use our connection how we want, and don't dodge the Fu@#$ issues rogers/shaw!!! We know you did it, and we know you lie to us, come out of the closet once and for all. And are you in Canada? Your profile location says Wisconsin, USA. So how is Rogers or Shaw stopping you from using YOUR connection? Mental telepathy, perhaps?? It doesn't matter where he is located, that is a fallacy. He/she doesn't want these policies to find their way to the USA.
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by SSX4life :let us use our connection how we want, and don't dodge the Fu@#$ issues rogers/shaw!!! We know you did it, and we know you lie to us, come out of the closet once and for all. And are you in Canada? Your profile location says Wisconsin, USA. So how is Rogers or Shaw stopping you from using YOUR connection? Mental telepathy, perhaps?? Something tells me you aren't in Pocono Pines, PA, nor have service from "Northwestel Cable" (a Canadian cable operator) either... 
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| said by RadioDoc :Something tells me you aren't in Pocono Pines, PA, nor have service from "Northwestel Cable" (a Canadian cable operator) either... And that is why I asked 1st if he was in Canada. Location info might be incorrect.;)
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by RadioDoc :Something tells me you aren't in Pocono Pines, PA, nor have service from "Northwestel Cable" (a Canadian cable operator) either... And that is why I asked 1st if he was in Canada. Location info might be incorrect.;) Incorrect or purposely incorrect? I ask this because I see you regularly post with different names and different locations... Just makes me and many others kind of wonder...;) |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by GigahertZ420 :Incorrect or purposely incorrect? I ask this because I see you regularly post with different names and different locations... Just makes me and many others kind of wonder...;) Just trying to bring a little mystery into your drab lives.:D
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by GigahertZ420 :Incorrect or purposely incorrect? I ask this because I see you regularly post with different names and different locations... Just makes me and many others kind of wonder...;) Just trying to bring a little mystery into your drab lives.:D Well as some may have alluded, the question may be which company(s) pays you to post here? You seem to regularly have a sympathetic ear to corporations and their "draconian" policies, but if your a stockholder that would explain it all...:)
I personally would like to render any and all ISP's throttling completely ineffective through VPN, encryptions, or other methods. Nothing like making a $50,000 peice of hardware utterly worthless and letting management know they should have invested that money in decent routers, switches, and backbone gear.
That and the fact that BitTorrent being an increasingly utilized method for legitimate downloads LINK makes any companies that cap/throttle look dumb and customer unfriendly |
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He's just a troll.
In any case, rumor is he's paid by comcast to post here. (and yes, he works for comcast outside of Philly). Comcast admitted about 6 months ago on an internal memo that they have, and have had for several years, professional 'astroturfers' to try and counter the anti-comcast rhetoric that sprouts up. (sort of like what happens with walmart). Paying someone 400.00/week to try and obfuscate msg boards is an easy way to take advantage of the simple minded at low wages, and has the added benefit of amusing even the moderately intelligent people of their desperate attacks.
There's a couple of other posters who work for the bells, etc. They aren't hard to spot, as they follow the scripts their handlers give them to attempt to counter any comments that make their paid supporters look bad. Common tactics include, but are not limited to, diverting the conversation off on a tangent, blaming it on 'criminals', telling them to 'start their own isp', and the classic 'it's their lines, they paid for it'. It's sort of fun to watch them post, almost at the same level of zoo monkeys throwing feces. They don't really affect anything, but you have to grin at their antics.
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"Common tactics include, but are not limited to, diverting the conversation off on a tangent,"
Sort of like you are doing now eh?
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Traffic shaping and throttling (either concurrent connections or byte caps) are not a substitute to upgrade your network.
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We just got a quote for $3000.00 per month for a fractional T-3 at 10 MBit/Sec.
The reason we are willing to pay that kind of money to get an honest to God 10 Mbit/Sec connection is simple. It won't be shaped. It won't be capped. It won't be limited.
We are upgrading our network.
Now, cluefull one, how much of that would you like to purchase? We will sell you the first 1 Mbit/Sec for $300.00 per month. We will *PROMISE* you 1 Mbit/Sec when you want to run your torrents, we will not shape you, we will not cap you ...
AND WE WILL NOT MAKE A DIME...
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Definately like the new icon better than a puking twelve year old... |
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SSX4life
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It does not matter if I don't live in Canada, I've got friends who do and I can still clearly see the differences. Agreed yes I'm in WI, but is that really the issue here? Isn't the issue that Shaw / Rogers is NOTupgrading their networks and because of this they are taking other approaches to solve a problem? Would you see the telephone company cutting lines because they have too many people making phone calls? Would you see cellphone companies telling you, "you can't make those phonecalls, not that many phonecalls because we have too many users on the network for us to support fully" ? hell no!
Don't tell me that throddling internet, and capping websites is only a misunderstanding! That they are doing it because they can, that they are disabling newgroups because obviously you, I, and everyone else are petafiles and search, download, and j@ck off to kiddie p0rn right?
No, they turn off newsgroups because it's one more thing thats slowing down their slow-ass network, one more thing that they feel the users don'tneed, one more thing that needs to be fixed! Upgrade the pipes, or kick people off of them that's their mentality! Sure we'll raise the costs of a per month isp, packet shape people, and still deny it! Sure this sounds like a great buisness plan!
Now I'm getting mad and I could go on, but I don't want to be on this soap box too long.
Point 1. It doesn't matter where you are, by limiting the speed, denying it, and cutting services you are hurting yourself, your customer basis, and the overall professioinality of your buisness
Point 2. You are setting a standard that could be implimented across the globe. Remove skype and VOIP because you want us to use your networking VOIP instead, remove newsgroups because you say it's capible of using kiddie porn (don't get me wrong, I still think that's sick sh!t, just find a better reason to shut it down than that).
Point 3. This clearly shows you need to upgrade your network.
Points said, points recieved, points taken
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said by hobgoblin :Sort of like you are doing now eh? You might as well as ignore Poo, he likes to say his ridiculous crap and then disappear once called on it.
His newest tactic is to say that anyone who doesn't agree with him is the same person, or is paid by this or that. I assume it makes him feel better since he can't defend his opinions logically once confronted.
I'm still waiting for him to explain how pointing out that encryption isn't going to help for long is pro corporate propaganda:
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said by G_Poobah :In any case, rumor is he's paid by comcast to post here. (and yes, he works for comcast outside of Philly). Rumor is wrong as I stated here once before. I'm retired. And your out and out claim that I work for Comcast outside of Philly is based on what? Do you just make up things on purpose or do you have dreams where you can't tell fact from fantasy?
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said by SSX4life :It does not matter if I don't live in Canada, I've got friends who do and I can still clearly see the differences. Agreed yes I'm in WI, but is that really the issue here? Isn't the issue that Shaw / Rogers is NOTupgrading their networks and because of this they are taking other approaches to solve a problem? I think the issue is that you implied that Encryption has helped your Shaw and/or RCN connection when in fact, by you're own admission, you couldn't know personally one way or the other. Changing the subject, and basically stopping just short of saying "it doesn't matter if I'm not actually affected, my made up story is representative of what all Shaw/Rodgers users have experienced", doesn't help you're credibility.
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G_Poobah
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Oooh, the corporate apologists all post within a 20 minute window? how could that possibly be..
Professional Astroturfers are not allowed to say they are paid by megacorp .. Well, DUH.. That kind of disclosure would be like.. hmm.. oh the bush administration admitting they are wiretapping citizens without warrants, and we all know how that turns out. Oops, gotta be careful about criticizing the administration, heard cheney is being sent out as a hitman now.
The point is that there are only TWO ways to throttle traffic. The old school way is port throttling. You set your switch to drop traffic on port XXXX until the bandwidth is low enough. That of course causes the clients to do a massive number of retries, which slows down the PC until the software is smart enough to throttle itself (at the OS level)
Option 2 is deep packet scanning. In fact, they are using the ellacoya switch at several of their hubs. They have used several others, but last I heard they hadn't finalized the vendor yet. Again, I ramble. In order for a deep packet inspection to work, the traffic needs to have VISIBLE and UNDERSTANDABLE header information. If you've ever looked at a TCP dump (possible), you'd understand that in order for an inspection to work, you need to be able to determine exactly WHAT is in the packet. Once the keys are exchanged, all these 'deep inspection devices' go to hell, as all they can tell is that it IS traffic, but have zero idea WHAT traffic it is.
Proof? Why.. Azureus and utorrent work again! How could you possibly need more proof than that? Once everyone upgrades their clients, the war starts all over again.
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toadlife
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ssj4android
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How is Azureus working proof that he works for Comcast? |
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