Dezbend
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join:2001-04-20
| reply to wifi4milez
Re: Its more expensive than that.....
As with most of the cable versus DSL debates; this must be looked at at the local level - making sweeping claims about which is better/cheaper is narrow.
I live in QWest territory, who offers naked DSL - sure to get the best rate I need a bundle of services with QWest, but the same is true of the cable (charter) in my area.
So the landline cost argument does not apply to me.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| said by Dezbend  :As with most of the cable versus DSL debates; this must be looked at at the local level - making sweeping claims about which is better/cheaper is narrow. I cant speak for every market, however there is a strong reason I mention it particular to my situation. Here in NYC, you cant get basic phone service for less than around $40. In this same market however, the difference in price for cable internet with TV versus without is only around $10 (or less). So in my case (and the millions who live around here), there is truly no comparison between cable and DSL.
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Dezbend
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join:2001-04-20
| Fair enough, and NYC is a huge market compared to mine. I don't argue that cable is not the best choice in some or maybe even most cases (I would have to really think about that); I just hate seeing wide-spread claims "cable is the best, Windows is the best, etc." Your statement "DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!" taken in context is probably accurate; I am just pointing out that independent research of local options is necessary before coming to a decision.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY
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1 edit | said by Dezbend :I am just pointing out that independent research of local options is necessary before coming to a decision. I concur with your statement. 
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TelecomJunky
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO
| reply to Dezbend
However, if you are looking at a history of anti-competitive practices, consumer fraud in unclear and misleading fees, then by all means FORGET ILEC DSL and GET CABLE!
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
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| Oh yeah...cable companies have never defrauded, mislead or fleeced their customers... I feel so fortunate being forced to pay for 190 channels I have no interest in just to get the 10 I do watch. Man, it gives me warm fuzzies every time I open my monthly love letter from Comcast. 
For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years.
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TelecomJunky
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join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO
| First, I never said cable was free from monopolistic tactics. Far from it.
However, much like elections on the federal level, we must choose the lesser of too evils. And quite honestly, the Bells have been defrauding consumers and blackmailing government far longer than cable has.
$17 for a local phone line? I wish I lived where you did. Here the cheapest line you can get runs around $25-30 depending on which part of the state line you are on and forget about LD or other bells and whistles like call waiting and caller ID.
In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15.
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years. THat must be the Expert Plus package, which, around CT is $79/mo. You're getting a great deal. Is that with 5 static IPs?
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said by TelecomJunky :In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15. It's just about $17 in my neck of the woods as well including taxes...so for my DSL plus phone I'm paying a total of $50. Usually my phone bill ends up at about $60 with my long distance calls to Europe. |
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RadioDoc
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It's the $44.95 "grandfathered mistake" dynamic deal from late 2003. They've got it available again for $49.99 though. I have it at the office and at home, and it's sweet.
And yes, my local POTS bill before usage is ~$17 including all the ups and extras:said by my latest bill :Monthly Service - Jan 28 thru Feb 27
Line Charge 9.00
Federal Access Charge 4.50
Total Monthly Service 13.50
Local Calls
Direct Dialed Calls
0-8 Miles
22 Call(s) at Day Rate .66
34 Call(s) at 10% Evening Discount Applied .68
71 Call(s) at 40% Night/Wknd Discount Applied 1.42
Total for Direct Dialed Calls 2.76
Day Rate: Mon-Fri, 9am-11am, 2pm-8pm
Evening Rate: Mon-Fri, 8am-9am, 11am-2pm, 8pm-9pm - 10% Discount
Night/Wknd Rate: 9pm-8am, Sat/Sun/Holidays - 40% Discount
127 Call(s) made this month averaged $.0212 per call
Volume Discount Savings applied to calls made this month .06 CR
Total Local Calls 2.70
Surcharges and Other Fees
9-1-1 Emergency System
Billed for Western Springs 1.00
State Infrastructure Maintenance Fee .08
State Additional Charges .01
Infrastructure Maintenance Credit .79 CR
Federal Universal Service Fee .45
IL Universal Service Fee .05
IL Telecom Relay Svc and Eqp .08
Total Surcharges and Other Fees .88
Taxes
Federal at 3% .48
Illinois at 7% 1.11
Municipal Telecommunications Tax .95
Total Taxes 2.54
Total Plans and Services 19.62
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | Oh, that's a tier we don't have here.
There is Expert Plus, which is the same speed, but with 5 static IPs. |
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