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Re: Things you don't want Google to find...
I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. I take a different approach. I don't blame google, I blame the users who put that stuff out there. All Google does is find the data and present it when it is asked for. What do you guys think? Is it Googles responsibility to protect the data or is it the user's?
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antdude
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|  said by wapu  :I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. I take a different approach. I don't blame google, I blame the users who put that stuff out there. All Google does is find the data and present it when it is asked for. What do you guys think? Is it Googles responsibility to protect the data or is it the user's? Computers can't decide what is right and wrong. All they do is search and collect datas. People need to not put the stuff online if they don't want to be shown. Computers (Google indexers) are just doing their jobs.
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hpguru
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said by wapu :I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. I take a different approach. I don't blame google, I blame the users who put that stuff out there. All Google does is find the data and present it when it is asked for. What do you guys think? Is it Googles responsibility to protect the data or is it the user's? Then I guess you think it's ok to go here and start rooting around? Please let us know what you find before they find you. 
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javaMan
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said by wapu :I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. . . You see this attitude a lot with people who are new to computers and networks. They haven't learned that it is the user's responsibility to know what should be placed on a network and what shouldn't. Neither have they seemed to grasp that data placed on a network is done so with the express purpose of making accessible, with certain restrictions of course, to others who share the network. And the tools used to manipulate and use the data are to make the available information easier to find. If one doesn't want something to be seen by others on the network it doesn't belong there, it's that simple.
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said by wapu :I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. I take a different approach. I don't blame google, I blame the users who put that stuff out there. All Google does is find the data and present it when it is asked for. What do you guys think? Is it Googles responsibility to protect the data or is it the user's? It's the users responsibility.
There is no question about that. ignorance is not bliss.. RTFM!
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zetan
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said by wapu :I showed this to a guy I work with and he started in on how google shouldn't do this. I take a different approach. I don't blame google, I blame the users who put that stuff out there. All Google does is find the data and present it when it is asked for. What do you guys think? Is it Googles responsibility to protect the data or is it the user's? So you pull down your pants and bend over. Then complain if someone comes along and pops one in.
Google is not to blame for what can be found. Not IMHO.
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Grail Knight
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What exactly are you getting at here?
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If one doesn't want something to be seen by others on the network it doesn't belong there, it's that simple.
So information given to utilities, banks, filing for taxes, college, etc. ends up on the web it is because they wanted it there?
I think it is more like the mishandling of information by institutions is more prevalent then citizens just arbitrarily posting their private information on the web.
Edit* Corrected there not their.
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Easy answer...... users fault. |
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mendsl2
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Growing pains. These types of situations help raise security awareness while pushing technology and security to another level. Sure that is a hard way to learn a lesson but it pushes people to become aware of the consequences of jacking their data in to the Web. Google is just doing its job and doing it quite well I might add.
Remember when ISPs didn't really filter any ports or services? Well maybe you remember Code Red or Nimda because that is what made those viruses so successful. So do you then blame Windows for providing NetBIOS services and tell Microsoft "they shouldn't do that"? The fact that people didn't fully understand the concept of Windows file sharing via TCP/IP is what made them vulnerable (and the bugs, code flaws and configuration issues). I am in no way plugging Windows file sharing or defending Microsoft's file sharing model here but merely providing another example of a situation that left peoples' sensitive data hanging in the breeze.
I feel that the holder of the data is responsible for securing said data no matter if it is an institution or Joe A. User. |
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Grail Knight
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I feel that the holder of the data is responsible for securing said data no matter if it is an institution or Joe A. User.
I agree with that to an extent although without full access by a citizen to their data being held by some of those places of trust you have no control over. Example the release/sale of data that is mishandled, stolen etc.. I think you would have to be a mind reader or see into the future to do all you and the poster think a citizen should be able to do to prevent/contain privacy loss etc.
As to Google I could care less what they gather. All information is fair game to an Internet information gatherer. It is just doing what it was programmed to do.
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mendsl2
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| I totally agree with you Grail Knight. Once your info is in the hands of another party they are responsible for keeping it secure. Here is a perfect example of this gone wrong:
»blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/inv···7568.asp
I feel it is clear that the newspaper is totally responsible for the release of sensitive data and that the customers had no control over this whatsoever.
Okay, back OT since this supposed to be about Google. ; ) |
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Grail Knight
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join:2003-05-31 | That is a very good example.
Back to Google. |
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said by zetan :Then complain if someone comes along and pops one in. ouch. I didn't see that metaphor coming...
To those who don't think so:
I think Google Desktop is a good idea. Perhaps its implementation needs a little retooling, I don't know. But it's silly to say that GDS is a bad idea. It can be a very useful tool.
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