Karl Bode
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| reply to achuchma
Re: Propoganda.. by both sides
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I can only speak from what has been documented here with other FIOS customers, and so far, we have seen FIOS installs span the income brackets. However, since FIOS is in its infancy, if Verizon wanted to cherry pick affluent areas, one would assume that now would be the time to do it.
If I were a very PR conscious telco, even if I were going to cherry pick affluent and dense areas (which makes the most economic and investor pleasing sense), I'd damn well do my best to obfuscate this by picking a number of lower-middle class neighborhoods for deployment to offset this, so if someone did a statistical evaluation, I'd have ammo.
Luckily for Verizon, FCC statistics are largely bunk. They don't even know who really has DSL at this point. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ  :So if verizon is going to take its time doing a buildout, why do they need a statewide franchise? By the time they get near to being usable by the customer, they could be on there 2nd local franchise deal. And that, I do not know. There may be plans to accelerate FIOS build out, or they may just be trying to get all their ducks in a row in advance, or a combination of both.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to DaveNJ
And why should they be required to wire the whole town right away? Shouldnt we extend this a little further and say they have to wire their entire covered area right away or none at all? Or maybe we can say they have to wire the entire nation, or none at all? What makes it OK for them to wire one state now and not another until next year? Explain to me how this is different then any other company rolling out or even testing a product in one part of the country, state, city, or town. Is it because YOU want it and they are not meeting YOUR timeline?
If they want to go down your street and wire every house but yours, that is their business. What is it that all of a sudden gives you a RIGHT to fiber just because they started rolling it out in your neighborhood? If they want to stop their fiber deployment right now and never wire another house or business, that is their choice to make. They are a publicly held company so that decision is not yours and certainly not some politicians to make based on what they think they should suck out of Verizon.
Sure it would be nice if they could wire every house in their territory in a couple months. But that is not realistic and we would still have the little cry babies here asking why did they start in NY instead of Nebraska? So they pick and choose the most profitable places now and then come back to the places that give little return when the cost of wiring them is lower. So what, good business sense. In the end they will probably, through intervention of the government, be forced to wire the places that don't make them any money. But it may be several years for that to take place. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to DaveNJ
The whole town is already wired for telephone service. Upgrading it is a slow eventuality. Where I used to live there was neither cable tv or cable internet and Charter or the local gov't didn't care. There was DSL and telephone service though. |
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Vig
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join:2004-03-23
San Diego, CA
| reply to Karl Bode
And this is exactly the point. Just because they seem to be wiring everyone now doesn't mean they will in the future. In fact, if they get a franchise agreement that doesn't force them to service an unprofitable region, then they're pretty much required to ignore that area to avoid shareholder complaints.
Maybe they aren't ignoring less profitable areas now because that might make them look bad right when they need to look good to get the deal they want. As soon as said deal is in hand, it would not be surprising at all for their "wire them all" fervor to die out rather abruptly.
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DaveNJ
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| reply to bogey780
said by bogey780 :The whole town is already wired for telephone service. Upgrading it is a slow eventuality. Where I used to live there was neither cable tv or cable internet and Charter or the local gov't didn't care. There was DSL and telephone service though. What you need to do is petition your town council to form a cable advisory board. Then the cable advisory takes complaints, when the franchise comes up again, they say these points need to be taken care of first. Gee imagine if you could do this with verizon dsl ? |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| reply to Cod
Two points:
First, while Verizon is apparently wiring some less affluent ares, is this perhaps only because they are required to do so? Since this discussion is about the elimination of agreements which require "build-out", it seems reasonable to ask if the requirement is the reason for their "good behavior" so far.
Second, this discussion is about what will be POSSIBLE in the future. While past activities may give some indication of what a corporation will do in the future, many believe that corporations sometimes change their approach. Accordingly, a theory that VZ might cater only to the rich (or build to them first) in the future merits discussion.
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