DaveNJ
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said by achuchma  :Nice deflection, but I was responding to your comment of: said by G_Poobah :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy... But do they have to ? What is to prevent from cherry picking in the future? I guess verizon can just do as it pleases without penalty. |
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| said by DaveNJ :said by achuchma :Nice deflection, but I was responding to your comment of: said by G_Poobah :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy... But do they have to ? What is to prevent from cherry picking in the future? I guess verizon can just do as it pleases without penalty. No, they are under no requirements to wire FIOS in any order at this point and time; however, given how the roll out of FIOS occurred across income class, it is unlikely that Verizon will change direction.
I think (this is opinion, based on industry rumors), that FIOS is basically intended to replace Verizon's copper plant, which means all Verizon serviced areas will be on FIOS sooner or later. This, of course, takes time just like when cable was rolled out.
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DaveNJ
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| said by achuchma :No, they are under no requirements to wire FIOS in any order at this point and time; however, given how the roll out of FIOS occurred across income class, it is unlikely that Verizon will change direction. I think (this is opinion, based on industry rumors), that FIOS is basically intended to replace Verizon's copper plant, which means all Verizon serviced areas will be on FIOS sooner or later. This, of course, takes time just like when cable was rolled out. So in 2 years i can expect fios ? |
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join:2000-03-02 | Document what he's saying so that in three years, when the majority of rural middle-class America is still waiting for Fios, you can perhaps get a coupon? |
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achuchma
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said by DaveNJ :So in 2 years i can expect fios ? Who knows...I am with you buddy...I am in a Verizon serviced area and they have been putting fiber trunks in the ground like nobody's business, but the closest city to me that has FIOS is Fort Wayne, IN which is a good 90 miles from me.
As for time line, there is a lot of area to cover, and again, I was basing on rumors within the industry. Given the fact that customers who get FIOS usually have their land lines cut over to fiber as well, it really is looking like Verizon is taking the direction to decommission their copper operations. This, of course, will probably start with larger cities and then start to span out. Considering I live in a town of about 300 people, I don't expect to see FIOS any time in the near future.
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said by Karl Bode :Document what he's saying so that in three years, when the majority of rural middle-class America is still waiting for Fios, you can perhaps get a coupon? I doubt that we will see FIOS on a grand scale within three years. The costs involved with installing the service will more than likely keep deployments at a steady, but slow pace.
I can only speak from what has been documented here with other FIOS customers, and so far, we have seen FIOS installs span the income brackets.
Is it possible that Verizon can change direction on FIOS deployments? Of course! However, since FIOS is in its infancy, if Verizon wanted to cherry pick affluent areas, one would assume that now would be the time to do it.
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DaveNJ
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1 edit | said by achuchma :said by Karl Bode :Document what he's saying so that in three years, when the majority of rural middle-class America is still waiting for Fios, you can perhaps get a coupon? I doubt that we will see FIOS on a grand scale within three years. The costs involved with installing the service will more than likely keep deployments at a steady, but slow pace. I can only speak from what has been documented here with other FIOS customers, and so far, we have seen FIOS installs span the income brackets. Is it possible that Verizon can change direction on FIOS deployments? Of course! However, since FIOS is in its infancy, if Verizon wanted to cherry pick affluent areas, one would assume that now would be the time to do it. So if verizon is going to take its time doing a builtout, why do they need a statewide franchise? By the time they get near to being usable by the customer, they could be on there 2nd local franchise deal. |
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I can only speak from what has been documented here with other FIOS customers, and so far, we have seen FIOS installs span the income brackets. However, since FIOS is in its infancy, if Verizon wanted to cherry pick affluent areas, one would assume that now would be the time to do it.
If I were a very PR conscious telco, even if I were going to cherry pick affluent and dense areas (which makes the most economic and investor pleasing sense), I'd damn well do my best to obfuscate this by picking a number of lower-middle class neighborhoods for deployment to offset this, so if someone did a statistical evaluation, I'd have ammo.
Luckily for Verizon, FCC statistics are largely bunk. They don't even know who really has DSL at this point. |
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achuchma
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said by DaveNJ :So if verizon is going to take its time doing a buildout, why do they need a statewide franchise? By the time they get near to being usable by the customer, they could be on there 2nd local franchise deal. And that, I do not know. There may be plans to accelerate FIOS build out, or they may just be trying to get all their ducks in a row in advance, or a combination of both.
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And this is exactly the point. Just because they seem to be wiring everyone now doesn't mean they will in the future. In fact, if they get a franchise agreement that doesn't force them to service an unprofitable region, then they're pretty much required to ignore that area to avoid shareholder complaints.
Maybe they aren't ignoring less profitable areas now because that might make them look bad right when they need to look good to get the deal they want. As soon as said deal is in hand, it would not be surprising at all for their "wire them all" fervor to die out rather abruptly.
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