sieklucki1
join:2002-08-12
Liverpool, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to G_Poobah
Re: crooks
Well put--a user's packets should all be treated equally.
VOIP should not suffer degradation alone, if VOIP is working badly, all other internet traffic should be working equally badly. Of course, if the internet is slow a customer will move to a different provider.
However, a similar argument works for good quality. If everything but VOIP works well then the provider is artificially degrading VOIP and thus not really providing internet access as most companies advertise.
As for charging extra--if I pay for internet access all my packets should be delivered to me equally (well or badly). I should not be penalized for having "different types" of packets. |
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Nick
Purveyor of common sense
Premium,VIP,MVM
join:2000-10-29
Smithtown, NY
clubs:
| You pay for internet access and the only thing that really entitles you to is that your packet can go from point a (your cable modem) to point b (whatever you're accessing). I have never seen an ISP advertize or claim that they can get your packet from point A to point B in x amount of time. Just like they don't guarantee or claim you'll always get x megabits per second. They always claim UP TO...x
In reality the ISP is in the business to make money, they will provide better quality of service to a commercial client typically because they have a Service Level Agreement with them and that can potentially cost them more money. So commercial traffic is almost always higher priority than your traffic. Then there's voice traffic. Imagine if it's an emergency 911 call (something many MSOs still lack a good impementation of) vs someone's porn packets...Voice goes through because it's important.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Internet access is a published standard on how traffic works. Internet access is BEST EFFORT throughout the network. Internet access is NOT what Verizon, or Comcast, or Shaw decides it is.
Your Lie : My porn traffic is FAR more important than your 911 call as far as I'M concerned. What gives YOU the right to say that your call goes through, and my porn gets slowed down? We both paid for 'internet access'. Period. You don't get to decide that your magic 911 call about your lost gerbil is more important than my porn.
Your Lie : "So commercial traffic is almost always higher priority than your traffic". Absolutely and totally untrue. There is no difference between a packet from a commercial person and a packet from a residential person. The only thing a 'commercial' account gets you is a BIGGER PIPE and BETTER UPTIME. Period. Uunet doesn't treat commercial traffic from verizon any different than it treats residential traffic from comcast. Because that's what the internet IS. It's not SHAWS call, It's not Verizons call to determine which packet is more important than the other. All packets are treated to best effort, and if the QUALITY of that best effort isn't good enough, then
a) Don't sell speeds you can't support
b) Upgrade your network.
See, they have 2 choices.. It's very easy. Spend money to deliver what you promise, or don't promise it. Most people learn that in Kindergarten, but apparently the executives have forgotten lifes important lessons. Guess all those greedy brain cells crowd out the reality of the world.
*Sorry Kamm..
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Nick
Purveyor of common sense
Premium,VIP,MVM
join:2000-10-29
Smithtown, NY
clubs:
| You need to educate yourself a bit more before you rant. Your porn traffic is only as important as the ISPs executives decide it is. What gives them the right? Their money, their implementation and their rules. If it's possible to engineer what they want it's going to be done no matter how much you complain about it. There is DSL/Dial Up if you're not happy with what you signed up for. Nobody is twisting your arm to force you to subscribe.
In a DOCSIS implementation it's possible to provide different priority services. Change the SfSchedulingType to UGS and your non-UGS packets take a back seat.
That's how things are done in a cable company...If you don't like it/agree with it. Start your own Cable Company and make your own rules 
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Please refer to : »Re: Just for giggles...
I want to thank you for responding correctly. I said "I paid for Internet Access", and you correctly responded with "Then Start your own Network!"
Woooota! Predicted your response THREE (3) weeks ago! You didn't let me down.
Proof you again all the paid astroturfing corporate apologists share the same scripts! Maybe you should get a new script!
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Nick
Purveyor of common sense
Premium,VIP,MVM
join:2000-10-29
Smithtown, NY
clubs:
| Did you use Miss Cleo for your reading? Stereotyping is great fun and sometimes it's accurate but you obviously have your own idea of what reality is and sadly, it differs from the current state of the real world. Welcome to capitalism.
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| reply to Nick
Re: crooks
Reality is what you make of it. Albert Einstien had his own views of the world and upon reality, he was stereotyped for his works. The Wright brothers where told that humans can't fly and people told them to wake up to reality. Thanks to them we now have airplanes.
The real world is what you believe it is from your own eyes. Nobody has the same reality or view of this world and that's why we all have choices. So frankly I don't really think he got his thought from Miss Cleo and that right there was actually not necessary. |
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