rexbinary
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Plano, TX | Greedy Investors
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TKJunkMail
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| said by rexbinary  :I'm glad I got fiber to the curb before the greedy investors start screwing things up. If it wasn't for the so-called greedy investors you wouldn't have Fios at all.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by rexbinary :I'm glad I got fiber to the curb before the greedy investors start screwing things up. If it wasn't for the so-called greedy investors you wouldn't have Fios at all. What a frikkin BS.
If it would be up to the investors, we'd be still paying around $50 for dialup, tied to VZ-only $60-70 for local POTS w/ 500 local minutes. |
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melps
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Paramus, NJ | Keep in mind that all of "us" are the investors.
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TX Tech
join:2005-10-17
Lewisville, TX
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If you have FiOS, you don't have Fiber to the curb, you have fiber to the home.
MoCA is already being used. I really wish some of these news sources would actually have a clue as to what is going on before they release this crap.
Also, in response to the article, we're not "Changing" anything, this was the plan all along. To provide a return path for the set top boxes, we are using MoCA. It's not because of investors, it's because the coax is already there. And for those of you wondering, no, it doesn't slow anything down. |
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA
·Comcast
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Return on investment
The interesting thing to me was the prices to install the FIOS. They say $1400/home for the fiber run down the street and an additional $1200/home for each house that connects.
Lets say you have a street with 10 homes and 4 of them choose to get the FIOS service. This means the total cost is $1400*10 + $1200*4 = $18800 ==> $18800/4 = $4700 per paying customer. Even at $100 a month or so per paying customer their return on investment is a long long time. |
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Bencoder
@216.135.x.x | reply to kamm
Re: Greedy Investors
And if it wasn't for the end customer, the company wouldn't have a reason to exist at all. There, I've run rings around your logic! |
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metoo75
@alcatel.com | reply to rexbinary
Any of you guys have FIOS installed? Does Verizon pull CAT5 cable to the location of your primary computer? Do they fish the wire through walls and floors? I'm asking because it would save me time pulling the cable myself.
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wlan907
join:2005-02-27
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: Return on investment
1) If they can get internet, tv, phone and cell, it should be more like $200/month, which is paid for in two-years if it is really 4700 per cust.
2) This doesn't take into account the tax break for spending the money, which can be quite helpful in massaging the figures.
3) It doesn't take into account what they will lose if they didn't roll out fiber. ATT will have all 4 services and VZ is stuck with to revenue ata lll. |
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Al Smith
join:2005-06-09 | reply to rexbinary
Re: Greedy Investors
This should help to ease the investor fears!!
»multichannel.com/article/CA63144···ing+News |
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fiberguy
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| reply to Bencoder
Your ring is only half way complete.
You, *A* consumer may believe you care, but many others don't care. Many consumers care about price ONLY and nothing more. So, you are fighting with your fellow consumers.
Those that pay into 401k and others - how do you know you are investing in Verizon? Your money could be in C&H Sugar for all you know, or Home Depot.
There are investors that own more shares that could choke you as compared to your few hints of shares that MAY or MAY NOT be in your 401K or other holdings.
Now, enough of the refuting the 'cute & witty' postings...
Maybe, just MAYBE, it would be nice if Verizon offered the choice of the existing install at a premium or the cheaper method. However, again, it's all about bulk buying power. If enough people don't want the old fashion style install, then the old way of installing goes even higher.
As long as the product works, why should anyone care? Down the road when more and more people install FiOS and the product becomes a regular staple in the Verizon product line, down the road I am sure that installs will go back to the way they once were.
If you want Verizon to be successful with FiOS, they need to make it financially viable.
Those that want it the other way and want it cheap too remind me of the spoiled brat snot nosed kids throwing a temper tantrum because Mommy won't buy them the unaffordable $150.00 Nikes like everyone else has over the $60 Nikes that she can in fact afford. IOW - stop your whining. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by fiberguy :Those that pay into 401k and others - how do you know you are investing in Verizon? Your money could be in C&H Sugar for all you know, or Home Depot. Actually it is quite easy. Morningstar.com can tell you how much of each companies stock is in a mutual fund. Try out their portfolio tool: »portfolio.morningstar.com/NewPor···MSTAR#TB
Other investor sites have the same tools available.
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
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I pulled the structured wiring under code (check your local Low Voltage codes).
I've Cat5e to each room.
I had also provided a punchdown block at the POE (point of entry) of the Fios cat5 from outside. The installers loved me.
I had AC outlet (with lighting) on panel for the gear they put in.
Maybe I should take a photo...? |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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I know... I was making a blanket statement to what was more than likely a blaket statement itself.
The OP may very well have a bit of Verizon in his 401k port. but as compared to what a normal investor may have invested in the company is usually very very little. More so, riding on the coat tails to make a long term, VERY long term, safe return on a little money. The big boys are the ones taking the real risk with real shares, and not the mutual funds. |
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Kamaz
join:2006-01-26
Elizabethtown, PA
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This is why Bose is still a private company, so he can research and build what he wants to without investors telling him what do. Then again Bose is overpriced and doesn't seem better than competitors anyways...
This still isn't a bad idea though, saving money never hurts. It shouldn't reduce quality/speed. And if customers don't like it they can install Cat5 before Verizon comes to hook up Fios. I know if I could get Fios I woiuld prewire my house in a heartbeat, so I could have Fios up and running as fast as possible, and have it done my way. Too bad I'm still stuck with Sprint's crappy dsl (overpriced/slow)...maybe they should change their name to Crawl. |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by TKJunkMail :said by rexbinary :I'm glad I got fiber to the curb before the greedy investors start screwing things up. If it wasn't for the so-called greedy investors you wouldn't have Fios at all. if it weren't for customers there would be NOTHING for the investors to invest in.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by Kamaz :This is why Bose is still a private company, so he can research and build what he wants to without investors telling him what do. Then again Bose is overpriced and doesn't seem better than competitors anyways... This still isn't a bad idea though, saving money never hurts. It shouldn't reduce quality/speed. And if customers don't like it they can install Cat5 before Verizon comes to hook up Fios. I know if I could get Fios I woiuld prewire my house in a heartbeat, so I could have Fios up and running as fast as possible, and have it done my way. Too bad I'm still stuck with Sprint's crappy dsl (overpriced/slow)...maybe they should change their name to Crawl. YUKK!
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mrwhipple
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join:2005-12-24
Pasadena, MD
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 The FIOS techs will pull cat5e, fish walls if possible and run thru the attic or crawl space. The cat5e wire looks terrible if run on the surface. They also can install a wireless NIC on your PC. |
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