Trevorm7
join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL
| [net] 60/5? From what was said here: »www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=59212
"The Verizon Tech also mentioned that they would be doing away with the 5/2 internet package. The 15/2 will be the entry level package and the price will go down to what the 5/2 is. The 30/5 will be the second package and he believed it would go the current 15/2 price. He said they would be adding a 60/5 package for their high end package."
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 | Jackie_Chan
join:2003-01-05 | Re: [net] 60/5? When will we get 60/60 ?  Gotta keep OOL on its toes. | |
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join:2003-01-05 | Re: [net] 60/5? BTW does this mean that current 30/5 users will get upgraded to 60Mb for no extra charge? | |
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join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL | Re: [net] 60/5? yep, and the people with 5/2 will go to 15/2 and people with 15/2 will get 30/5 | |
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MD | that would be dumb and useless, it's probably really hard to find servers to even max 30mbit.
If they were going to add a faster package it should be like 30/8 or 30/10 or something.
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GeekNJ
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| Re: [net] 60/5? First off, I think this is all rumors.
As for a single server maxing out 30mb, I think that's not really the reason for more bandwidth now. It has to do with multiple simultaneous users and multiple applications. Browsing the internet is hardly differentiated between a 1.5mb DSL and a 30mb FIOS connection. Same for email. Add in streaming video, music, browsing, uploading, etc and that's where the higher caps make sense.
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join:2005-01-17
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| Re: [net] 60/5? I can tell a big difference with 1.5mb dsl and 5mb cable, especially while I'm, downloading a file and surfing at the same time. I remember when I was downloading with dsl it was a pain to surf at the same time. Then I got 5mb cable and it was better than got 10mb cable and was uber better and then went back to 5mb and it was horrible because someone else in the house was gobbling all the upload speed and then they upgraded us to 7mb and I use that now. | |
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1 edit | said by GeekNJ  :First off, I think this is all rumors. As for a single server maxing out 30mb, I think that's not really the reason for more bandwidth now. It has to do with multiple simultaneous users and multiple applications. Browsing the internet is hardly differentiated between a 1.5mb DSL and a 30mb FIOS connection. Same for email. Add in streaming video, music, browsing, uploading, etc and that's where the higher caps make sense. even multiple users, 30mbps is more than enough for everyone to stream videos and play games simultaneously. Even 15mbps is enough for 3 or 4 people to stream videos and play games at the same time, most streaming videos are not even over 1000kbps, and most games barely use any bandwidth at all. Edit: and if 3 or 4 people in your home are playing online at the same time frequently then you should kick their ass and make them go outside for awhile.. lol
Now it might make sense if this type of service were to goto businesses and schools (if Verizon would install FIOS to such places).
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New York, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? For those institutions they have their business level tiers. Those places need dedicated connections. | |
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join:2005-01-17
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| "most streaming videos are not even over 1000kbps, and most games barely use any bandwidth at all."
The only reason why it's like that is because alot of people don't have much bandwidth, so at first there may not be many reasons but when alot of people have the bandwidth there will be applications to use it.
Meanwhile have fun downloading alot simultaneously without slowing down. | |
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join:2004-07-14
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| Re: [net] 60/5? After all the contacts I have made in resolving my issues. Please stop the rumor mill, there will be no package changes in 2006. Comcast can barely keep up as it is, especially on their upstream.
Verizon will only introduce such rumors when they choose to quash Comcast. As of right now they are more focused of getting new cities lit up and TV franchising. Anything Verizon offers to date will equal that of Comcast or slightly surpass it.
All these new tiers are RUMOR and SPECULATION. Verizon isn't going to implement new tiers when they haven't even established themselves in some states. | |
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| Re: [net] 60/5? I agree, as noted previously, it's all rumors right now.
Verizon has lowered FIOS in parts of NY (and I think in parts of another state) offering their 30/5 package for $55.
Also, there are other ISPs that Verizon needs to compete against such as Cablevision which offers 15/2 for the same cost as Verizon does and 30/2 for $10 more/mo.
Maybe Verizon will go with regional pricing to compete as appropriate or maybe they will try and stay with a common cost across all their markets. We'll have to see how it pans out.
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| patcat88
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Jamaica, NY | Use a download accelerator something like GetRight. Puts flame shield up. | |
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
| said by Vamp :that would be dumb and useless, it's probably really hard to find servers to even max 30mbit. Yet Ferrari still makes a killing selling 200MPH cars here in the US even though there are no roads with speed limits higher than 80MPH. | |
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join:2006-01-03
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| Re: [net] 60/5? Yey another car analogy... To the poster who said 30 mbit is useless: If you have multiple people in your home it is very useful. Whenever I download at 5/6 my max speed my ping shoots up in multiplayer games online. I don't think it is the ack packets either. My speed is 5/384. Usenet can certainly accomodate such a large pipe. You can also be downloading alot of things simultaeniously at high speeds all around. | |
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MD | Re: [net] 60/5? Well with adequate upload speed, the pings shouldn't start going up when downloading, unless you are really consuming it like crazy. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? Thing is when I use half my upload on regular uploading (like 20 KB/sec everything is fine anything higher fluctuates my ping) I don't get the ping issue, but when I download and use the upload half as ack packets I start to see pings rise. | |
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join:2003-01-05 | Re: [net] 60/5? 30Mb is far from useless I use all 30Mb of it quite easily. | |
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| Re: [net] 60/5? Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what?
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New York, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? Seems like the legality issue is just another reason innovation is stifled to some extent in this country. | |
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join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL
| said by Insder :Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what? Um, thats not true. P2P does not have to be ilegal, ethical people shouldn't be punished with slow speed because people are always using P2P for ilegal crap.
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| said by Insder :Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what? Here's a way to use the 30/5 connection: any time you want to send or receive a large file. File sizes are only growing.
Anyone who has played the dial-up waiting game while trying to send large pictures to grandma and grandpa can appreciate a shorter upload time.
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There never was a second I in my name
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| Re: [net] 60/5? Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials.
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join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| Re: [net] 60/5? said by Insder :Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials. Why do you care so much what other people are doing with their net connections? If you don't want 30/5 then don't get it. No one is forcing you.
Just because you personally don't see the need doesn't mean that others don't have legitimate reasons for wanting those speeds. | |
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| Re: [net] 60/5? And I'm sure Verizon sees the need for people to download illegally, and say "hey, we'll give them these high speeds, because obviously it's legal usage". I'm saying it's not probable.
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| Re: [net] 60/5? Maybe you missed the news story yesterday about iTunes offering their first full movie. It was $1.99 to purchase and totaled almost 500 megabytes. Seems likee a perfectly legit use to me, and at that price, I'm sure people would have no problem buying lots independent movies. If you don't have a fast, efficient delivery system a market is not going to be created around it. You need the speed first, and the market will be there to put it to use. That is the key. A market is not going to develop unless that speed is already in place. | |
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join:2006-01-03
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| First off downloading is legal. Second of all why does Verizon give a shit what you do with the pipes you pay for. It is not their job to enforce copyright law nor is it their place. Third why should progress be stunted because of a few individuals who control the entertainment industry, the same argument applies to all those breaking copyright laws. 3MB / 90kB/s = 33 seconds versus 6 seconds for 5Mb/s and if you upload alot of pictures and movies you made then it gets worse. 3MB is not average for a picture, try 20 MB. If we can get bigger pipes that means less compression as well so the only thing not giving us high speeds causes is a stop in progress. Giving people larger pipes only speeds up the exchange of copyrighted materials, but it doesn't necessarily increase the amount being taken as people only have so much time to view content. It is nice when your broadband speeds are no longer a limiting factor in your productivity and you have more time for other things like the outdoors. | |
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1 edit | Re: [net] 60/5? I'm sure Verizon cares when they get sued to get the names of people illegally trading files. Downloading, correct, is legal, but when you're on bittorrent, you easily upload everything. Same goes for all but newsgroups.
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join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| Re: [net] 60/5? said by Insder :I'm sure Verizon cares when they get sued to get the names of people illegally trading files. Downloading, correct, is legal, but when you're on bittorrent, you easily upload everything. Same goes for all but newsgroups. Your arguments don't make sense. As grandpinaple said, it isnt VZ's job to police your traffic. FTP, HTTP or any other udp or tcp port can be used for illegal downloading (or uploading). Unless you are saying that bitorrent can only be used for illegal activity (obviously not true) then VZ has no interest in playing net cop nor should they, it is not their role.
Why don't you let VZ worry about being "sued" to compel them to release customer info and you stick to trolling? | |
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Salem, MA | Re: [net] 60/5? I'm not trolling. Who the hell said I was trolling? | |
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2 edits | Re: [net] 60/5? said by Insder :I'm not trolling. Who the hell said I was trolling? Your actions said you were trolling. All your posts in this thread have been about why Verizon doesn't need to or should not raise their speeds, or offer speeds as fast as they do now, for FiOS. That was not the topic of this thread. Why does it matter to you whether or not they offer tens of megabits worth of speed? If you don't have anything of value to contribute and you continually post off topic, that is trolling. We would prefer that you go troll somewhere else so we can get back to the orginal topic of the thread. | |
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join:2003-01-05
| Thats right folks... You dont need speed. Please go back to using 300baud modems. You really do not need anything faster than 300baud, unless your a pirate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate people who hang on technology forums who have the mindset that technology should not be advanced...
Why NOT go 100MB/100MB if possible?
WHY THE HELL NOT?
Money? Not your dam problem. If a company can do it, and wants to break ground... They're advancing civilization FASTER than the other greedy corperate types that would HOLD BACK the technology and roll it out slower to profit.
I would rather see a company advance civilization by bringing us the best possible, because you and I will DIE at some point and we're just not going to see how this puppy turns out.
So lets make with the "advancing the world" so we can enjoy it more.
Stick with your 56k... I'll enjoy my 30/5 and I want 60/60... and I want 500/500... I want 1GIG/1GIG
And there is not a dam thing in this world that would make me feel other wise. You cant be too fast. | |
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2 edits | said by Insder :Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials. Haha.. That's so funny. Using your logic, 300 baud modems will take care of uploading, so why even bother with 90KB/sec uploads?
It's called progress.
Regarding your P2P not being legal... Using your logic, since networks, and the Internet on a larger scale, can be used for illegal activities, they must be illegal.
But why stop at P2P? There's FTP, SMTP, POP3, IMAP, NNTP, HTTP, HTTPS, the list goes on and on... Those too can be used to facilitate illegal activities. Are you going to go after them as well?
Do you also consider VHS recorders, DVD recorders, CD recorders, telephones, cell phones, encryption, etc, etc. illegal? They too can be used for illegal purposes.
I normally wouldn't respond to threads such as this, but I mean, come on. Sorry for the rant.
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Marlborough, MA | are you running some kind of QoS router? if so, it's very common for them to prioritize ACK packets, so the behavior you describe makes sense... | |
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join:2003-02-18
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| said by Vamp :that would be dumb and useless, it's probably really hard to find servers to even max 30mbit. If they were going to add a faster package it should be like 30/8 or 30/10 or something. a lowly p-2 350 can stuff FE and a lowly p-4 can stuff a GE. It's not hard to biuld a box that can keep those kind of connections full.
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join:2006-02-09
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| Re: [net] 60/5? a lowly p-2 350 can stuff FE and a lowly p-4 can stuff a GE. It's not hard to biuld a box that can keep those kind of connections full. It's not the computational power that is the problem, most websites simply cannot afford hosting fast enough to max a 30 Mb connection times however many users are hitting the site all at once. | |
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join:2003-02-18
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| Re: [net] 60/5? said by Sharps97 :a lowly p-2 350 can stuff FE and a lowly p-4 can stuff a GE. It's not hard to biuld a box that can keep those kind of connections full. It's not the computational power that is the problem, most websites simply cannot afford hosting fast enough to max a 30 Mb connection times however many users are hitting the site all at once. most websites are hosted on shared server with many other accounts. Just because you don't see over a megabit per page does not mean the server can't do it. There's tons of things that will reduce the amount of data you see and that is mainly compression. http compresses very well. Have you every actually administered a webserver? I have and i actually am getting ready to put another one into production. i can guarantee you a p-2 350 can easily keep a FE pipe stuffed and a p-4 1.4 ghz or faster(AMD athlon 1ghz or faster box) can easily keep a GE port stuffed if enough users hit it at once. If the files you are sending aren't html files(mp3's, movies, streaming files) then you don't need nearly as many users to have the server stuff the pipe.
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join:2006-02-09
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| Re: [net] 60/5? What I'm really getting at would be websites hosting large files. When you have video, audio, and other data files that are several hundred megabytes each, and you have hundreds of users pegging the server trying to get anywhere from 3 Mb to 15 Mb each, you're CPU would be very underutilized, but the bandwidth would simply be gone.
For general web browsing, I agree that you can easily compress pages and there is not much of a problem. However, even at that, some sites get slashdotted and everyone knows how that goes.
So it looks like we are basically agreeing that you don't need a lot of CPU power to max a pipe; most websites out there just don't have a wide enough pipe to handle the bandwidth demand. | |
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Syosset, NY | The 5/2 package is probably a problem for their VOD and PPV downloads while you're using the internet. Probably cheaper to just give you the bandwidth then provide a real router with better QoS functionality. | |
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Salem, MA | Re: [net] 60/5? They give you an extra burst of speed dedicated to TV service when using VOD and PPV, I believe.
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trey_w
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Plano, TX | Re: [net] 60/5? Your correct. They do this with all tiers. | |
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| Yes, Verizon must be floating ideas about new speed packages. To compete with OOL's offerings. There have been rumblings from customers about triple-play and how 15/2 from VZ just isn't as good a bargain anymore.
Personally, I'd like to see a 15(or 20?)/5 package be the "entry level" for $15 with speeds going up to 100/100 or as close to that number as possible. If the speeds do top off at 60 megabits, then why not multiples? 20, 40, 60?
Depending on the speed/price point, I and others would probably opt of the 'middle package' this year, as it fits in our current budget for internet ($45 when bundled with phone). So a *boost* to 20, 40 or 60 megabits sometime around June (my birthday month) would do nicely to coincide with the completed Cablevision network upgrades. Don't forget they are supposed to be ramping out those 50 megabit plans with proprietary modems.
Now that Verizon kicked the ball down the road a bit (maximizing subscriber growth with return on investment), this can only get a company so far. People need to have a reason to demand those speeds. As far back as 6-7 years ago, anything above 10 megabits on the internet was only affordable by large corporate wan/lans and carried a HUGE pricetag (most links were on dedicated copper/fiber and I won't even get into how much it cost to deploy infrastructure--making Mr. Ka-Ching RBOCS a fortune). As we approach 100/100 megabits (or anything over 50/50) someone better start capitalizing on the *content* people will demand, or the already teeming underworld will take over at the expense of cable-tv (testicles of the entertainment industry). Applications and content are good reasons, but thats just the beginning.
Verizon needs mold a "VISION" of why bandwidth is important to customers and more is better. My guess is ISPS will have to come to the conclusion that they will be in the "content-distribution business" very soon.. or mpaa lawyer types will drag them along kicking and screaming (hint-hint AT&T/BELLSOUTH). It's quite possible that the more megabits per dollar will amount to the "internet mutitasker's wet-dream" much in the same way computer processors get marketed to you as the: be more productive, for every purpose-there is a solution, etc. | |
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Orlando, FL
| It's possible for the network medium to support it being the fiber but the equiptment on each end is another thing although it can support what like 622 Mbps or something like that? But then the issue is the Internet Backend and filling that up. How ever it would be possible as aren't they doing that in like Japan?
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? Your gigabit bandwidth doesnt leave japan, do a speed test to a US or Euro speed tester. Your gigabit only works to other japan gigabit users, P2P as fast as your HD can write and remote internet file storage or whole computer backup. | |
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join:2004-10-12
Parker, CO
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| Re: [net] 60/5? It will be interesting to see if FISION will be able to support their 100/100 connections...
Base speed internet for FISION is 10/10, then move to 25/25, then 50/50, then 75/57 and 100/100...
Website:
»www.4fiber.tv
People in Houston are very lucky if they can get those kinds of speeds... | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | What is the point of Gigabit in Japan anyway if hard drives in raid arrays in most home users pcs can't even reach those speeds. | |
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| What they are doing in Japan is EPON, yeah it's Gig-E, but it's shared, the odds of ever seeing the max speed are slim. That's the fact many overlook when they claim places like Japan are far ahead in offering "higher" speeds.
To apply the same logic here, DOCSIS 1 cable systems here offer 30/5(?) and FiOS offers 622/155. | |
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join:2004-08-10 | 1000/8 is 125MB/sec most raid 0's have around 180MB/sec brust 100 avg | |
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chrispix
join:2004-08-25
Rowlett, TX
| You know some people like to use the verizon business package. This is my setup.
5 Static IPs
Sunrocket VOIP
3 Desktop PC's
2 Servers (Mail/DNS/SQL/WEB)
2 Tivos w/ Internet connectivity
1 XBOX
1 XBOX 360
Wow. I think I know why my electric bill is so high :P
I also need access to my office via VPN.
I personally don't use the bandwidth all the time. But it sure makes my customers happy when they can download from me at 2mbps. I would love a faster connection. I just had to download a Veritas file 500 meg. I wish it was 2x as fast, or even 4x as fast. Otherwise I am just sitting around waiting for things to happen.
As I said, I am not averaging anywhere near the 15mbps/2mbps, but when I need to use it I am glad it is there. | |
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join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY
| the problem with a 60/5 package is the fact that those download speeds will take away the total bandiwdth of a node faster . Why would they increase there speeds when they don't even have any where near the traffic to see if there current configuration can handle the setup that they have now.
They don't even have their whole network wired for fios yet.
Shouldn't they worry about rolling out fiber to their whole network before spending money on bringing even higher speeds? | |
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| Re: [net] 60/5? The MCI merger went through, they now own a major part of the internet backbone. So backbone is no longer an issue. The BPON split is X32, but that's as designed, not installed base. From the looks of things, there's at least a x2 overdesign or better in most places, if not all, places. So realistically, the 655/155 is split amongst maybe 16 users max.
All of that points to they could offer 60/5 or even better with little risk of customers seeing slow downs, so long as the link from the CO can support the traffic. | |
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Wilmington, DE
| said by majortom1981 :the problem with a 60/5 package is the fact that those download speeds will take away the total bandiwdth of a node faster . Why would they increase there speeds when they don't even have any where near the traffic to see if there current configuration can handle the setup that they have now. I doubt you're going to see very many 60/5 customers in residential developments paying $200 a month. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? Not if it goes to 55 dollars a month. You are correct in saying that most people who buy the package won't be maxing it out and they can afford to oversell. | |
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join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY
| Hmm So they cannot afford to over sell. Just look at cablevision.
People are complaining that they max out there 30/2 conenctions on boost.
I think verizon would be stupid to upgrade people to such high speeds before their network is done.
Why not use that money to get your service out to your whole network and work on getting tv to your whole network first. | |
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| Re: [net] 60/5? whats stupid, is people complaining about maxing out 30/2. i'm still on 3/384 dsl because verizon won't move into my area even though they are just 200miles from me. I don't complain about maxing my connection, sure i max it. but its not slow. i would love a 15/2 connection and would kill somebody for a 30/2 connection, if anybody is complaining about it they need to get their head caught in a blender.
Dont confuse this with a "technology should not advance" post. i love the technological race, but people who complain are just fricken retarded. | |
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| TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| said by majortom1981 :I think verizon would be stupid to upgrade people to such high speeds before their network is done. Why not use that money to get your service out to your whole network and work on getting tv to your whole network first. What money?
What does it cost Verizon to reprovision existing FIOS connections for faster speeds? Nothing as there are no hardware changes required.
At best you may be able to argue that they would have to upgrade their backbone network to accommodate the increased customer traffic (if customer traffic actually increases substantially overall as a result of faster speed offerings - a conclusion that has not been established) but without knowing how much excess capacity they have in their existing backbone infrastructure or their incremental costs of adding additional backbone capacity, you are just speculating.
One thing is for sure, offering unmatched speeds certainly gives VZ a marketing advantage over their competitors and will probably lure more customers over to FIOS which does translate into more money for them.
So before you get all worried that VZ is "wasting" money by offering even faster speeds when they should be spending that money on additional FIOS deployments perhaps you should leave it to the people who have all the facts to make the decision. | |
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kday
join:2005-04-20
Southlake, TX
| If Verizon makes the speeds faster, it will force the competitors to up their speeds, and we will once again see an evolution in useful bandwidth hungry web applications.
Just think.... on-demand streaming hi-def video straight to your PC. VPN as fast and convenient as being at the office.
These are just some examples off the top of my head, and I truly don't know what's going to come next, but the internet still has huge potential for innovation in web services. Recently, we have seen bandwidth hungry services such as Flickr, YouTube, MySpace, Gmail, Podcasts, Personal Video Podcasts, and too many others to name. If the ISP's don't up the bandwidth, the internet slows down and comes to a standstill. In other words, providing more bandwidth aids in the evolution of the internet. Believe it or not, you and I will someday be utilizing 30 mbps on a daily basis. Probably even within the next couple years.
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join:2001-08-20
West Chester, PA
| More bandwidth is crucial — at some point, the Internet will replace radio and TV — and offer much more choice.
I'm delighted with my 15/2 service — but to be honest, would be happier with more upload speed, as I tend to FTP some very large (60-70 MB files), nothing illegal, things that are my own creations, and that used to take forever when I had a cable modem.
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| Look, just keep the kiddie pron off the net, and everything will work itself out...
More speed to the home is necessary for VZ to keep their "nuclear" option on the table with cable-companies. Which is to say, if you increase bandwidth so high (aka 100megabits+) then you can virutally make cable-tv irrelevant in just a few short years.
If telecommincations have a conflict of interest with copyright holders'... too bad, get over it, you lost way back in betamax days (late 70's) and BLUE RAY DVD will be as microwaved, sauteed and deep fried away from copy protection as those vhs tapes even through macrovision, etc. Gigabit-capable Optical Network upgrades are a fact for Verizon. These are already in the pipeline, and any debate on this pre-order is moot, just a question of when origial BPON's get swapped for GPON's (655/155, to 2.5+/1.25+). Verizon can't be too concerned what customers do with their broadband.. especially if they can't get marketshare from cable-tv. Turabout is fair play because startups and cable companies are eating away at phone revenue with voip. If phone revenue comes back via 100 megabit data pipes to the home via fiber (relatively untaxed at this ponit).. all the better. Don't forget, there's a cable company (in the heart of VZ land) working to migrate to 100/100 megabits at this point. In about 12 weeks this is the new reality for a Verizon competitor (google, or bbr search: Cablevision and Narad Networks).
P.S. The great myth about copyrighted works: most people won't pay for REALLY GOOD content, if they can get it for free. Wrong. Otherwise, you'd see entertainment companies filing for bankrupcy like the airlines, simple fact-- you don't. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Some people are a little self indulged if they think Verizon would raise speeds for them at the risk of slowing down deployment. | |
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kday
join:2005-04-20
Southlake, TX
| All raising speeds is a Verizon tech sitting at a server terminal and manipulating a few numbers. In my opinion, Verizon has Plenty of bandwidth to offer even 100mbps/100mbps if they wanted to. Upping speeds will not slow down deployment as the the infrastructure is already prepared for the future. | |
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kday
join:2005-04-20
Southlake, TX
| Setting 100/100 for the same price as the current 15/2 might actually be a good business move for verizon. Hell, half of Europe now has 100/100 as standard internet service. China and Japan now have 1 gbps internet for less than $40 a month. It would take cable companies years to catch up, and verizon will become dominant and set a new standard for the internet. There is no reason that we should be stuck at such low speeds here in the U.S. | |
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA | Re: [net] 60/5? 1gbps shared, read up on it man. And most of Europe DOES NOT have 100/100, it's all ADSL2 over there.
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join:2005-04-20
Southlake, TX | Re: [net] 60/5? look up Sweden | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: [net] 60/5? Because Sweden is clearly all of Europe. | |
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majortom1981
join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY | why would they raise speeds when they don't even have the networ rolled out everywhere yet. Shouldn't you wait and see what your networ could do before raising the speeds? | |
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mbadur
join:2005-11-03
| 1)I attached the mci backbone of the internet. I'm not sure if it could even support 100/100 for alot of people. You can argue over that.
2)I dont know if there is alot of legal use for a 100/100 unless you are sharing the connection. You could argue p2p but how much of it is there that is legal and worth downloading. What they should do is partner with google or make there own equivalent of google base that could actually use the speed. Im not sure, so if im really wrong you can just tell me
Im not sure how to attach but heres the link
»www.nthelp.com/images/uunet.pdf | |
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| Sharps97
join:2006-02-09
Glen Mills, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [net] 60/5? Wow, I can't believe how little bandwidth there is behind MCI's backbone. I mean, a small handful of Verizon FIOS users could saturate the entire backbone through most parts of the country with very little problem using either the 15 Mb or the 30 Mb packages. It would be absolutely frightening to think of what would happen if Verizon actually had faster tiers available!
I can only imagine how much it will cost Verizon to rewire most of its backbone to handle just their own group of FIOS users. Eventually Verizon could have one of the largest, most powerful backbones in the world. I wonder if they will need some type of proxy system in place to actually provide the bandwidth the rest of the internet will not be able to, LOL. | |
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chrispix
join:2004-08-25
Rowlett, TX
| Many people (adults) with the high speed could probably use it to (as some one else posted) connect to their work VPN's just as fast as being in the office. Immagine being able to work from home just as if you were in the office. It might make telecommuting more plausable. Anyway, some other people certainly host websites/VOIP etc on there. Playing games, downloading patches (i.e. windows service packs!)
Think how big the Service packs will be for Vista! | |
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join:2002-11-21
USA
| Re: [net] 60/5? said by chrispix :Many people (adults) with the high speed could probably use it to (as some one else posted) connect to their work VPN's just as fast as being in the office. Immagine being able to work from home just as if you were in the office. It might make telecommuting more plausable. Anyway, some other people certainly host websites/VOIP etc on there. Playing games, downloading patches (i.e. windows service packs!) Think how big the Service packs will be for Vista! You can do that right now. Comcast 8 Mbps/768 kbps. 
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join:2005-11-16
Reston, VA
1 edit | Re: [net] 60/5? said by 99664227 :You can do that right now. Comcast 8 Mbps/768 kbps. *Yawn* You can do it on even a slower connection. So what's your point exactly? U_S | |
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join:2006-02-25
Ellicott City, MD
| I supposedly have that from Comcast, but its like a rocket sled with no turning. the quality of service of the connection sucks in Ellicott City, MD due to Comcast screwing up their routers for anything that requires a constant connection, like gaming.
one of the techs at my place in trying to resolve my QOS issues told me about how the digital signal is bleeding over on the broadband and affecting QOS on the broadband. I bitch, but no resolve. I can't wait for FIOS in my area. | |
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retsam
join:2004-09-02
Red Bank, NJ | you guys need to start reading or comprehending...that map is from June of 2000...6 years old... | |
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chrispix
join:2004-08-25
Rowlett, TX
| As far as Fiber goes, there usually is little to rewire. Typically they have lots of strands running along their backbone that are unlit, its just a matter of adding equipment on either end. If they don't have any unlit, its a matter of just replacing some hard ware on either end. And that map is from 2000 :P | |
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| Sharps97
join:2006-02-09
Glen Mills, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: [net] 60/5? Good catch on the date. I wonder if there are any updates available. I'm curious to see what various companies are capable of providing, although given competition, I wonder if they even release these any more (might give the competition a little too much insight into deployment capabilities). | |
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