TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| reply to Insder
Re: [net] 60/5?
said by Insder  :Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials. Why do you care so much what other people are doing with their net connections? If you don't want 30/5 then don't get it. No one is forcing you.
Just because you personally don't see the need doesn't mean that others don't have legitimate reasons for wanting those speeds. |
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Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA
| And I'm sure Verizon sees the need for people to download illegally, and say "hey, we'll give them these high speeds, because obviously it's legal usage". I'm saying it's not probable.
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eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
| Maybe you missed the news story yesterday about iTunes offering their first full movie. It was $1.99 to purchase and totaled almost 500 megabytes. Seems likee a perfectly legit use to me, and at that price, I'm sure people would have no problem buying lots independent movies. If you don't have a fast, efficient delivery system a market is not going to be created around it. You need the speed first, and the market will be there to put it to use. That is the key. A market is not going to develop unless that speed is already in place. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| reply to Insder
First off downloading is legal. Second of all why does Verizon give a shit what you do with the pipes you pay for. It is not their job to enforce copyright law nor is it their place. Third why should progress be stunted because of a few individuals who control the entertainment industry, the same argument applies to all those breaking copyright laws. 3MB / 90kB/s = 33 seconds versus 6 seconds for 5Mb/s and if you upload alot of pictures and movies you made then it gets worse. 3MB is not average for a picture, try 20 MB. If we can get bigger pipes that means less compression as well so the only thing not giving us high speeds causes is a stop in progress. Giving people larger pipes only speeds up the exchange of copyrighted materials, but it doesn't necessarily increase the amount being taken as people only have so much time to view content. It is nice when your broadband speeds are no longer a limiting factor in your productivity and you have more time for other things like the outdoors. |
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Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA
1 edit | I'm sure Verizon cares when they get sued to get the names of people illegally trading files. Downloading, correct, is legal, but when you're on bittorrent, you easily upload everything. Same goes for all but newsgroups.
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Jackie_Chan
join:2003-01-05
| reply to grandpinaple
Thats right folks... You dont need speed. Please go back to using 300baud modems. You really do not need anything faster than 300baud, unless your a pirate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate people who hang on technology forums who have the mindset that technology should not be advanced...
Why NOT go 100MB/100MB if possible?
WHY THE HELL NOT?
Money? Not your dam problem. If a company can do it, and wants to break ground... They're advancing civilization FASTER than the other greedy corperate types that would HOLD BACK the technology and roll it out slower to profit.
I would rather see a company advance civilization by bringing us the best possible, because you and I will DIE at some point and we're just not going to see how this puppy turns out.
So lets make with the "advancing the world" so we can enjoy it more.
Stick with your 56k... I'll enjoy my 30/5 and I want 60/60... and I want 500/500... I want 1GIG/1GIG
And there is not a dam thing in this world that would make me feel other wise. You cant be too fast. |
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TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| reply to Insder
said by Insder :I'm sure Verizon cares when they get sued to get the names of people illegally trading files. Downloading, correct, is legal, but when you're on bittorrent, you easily upload everything. Same goes for all but newsgroups. Your arguments don't make sense. As grandpinaple said, it isnt VZ's job to police your traffic. FTP, HTTP or any other udp or tcp port can be used for illegal downloading (or uploading). Unless you are saying that bitorrent can only be used for illegal activity (obviously not true) then VZ has no interest in playing net cop nor should they, it is not their role.
Why don't you let VZ worry about being "sued" to compel them to release customer info and you stick to trolling? |
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Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA | I'm not trolling. Who the hell said I was trolling? |
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chrispix
join:2004-08-25
Rowlett, TX
| reply to Trevorm7
You know some people like to use the verizon business package. This is my setup.
5 Static IPs
Sunrocket VOIP
3 Desktop PC's
2 Servers (Mail/DNS/SQL/WEB)
2 Tivos w/ Internet connectivity
1 XBOX
1 XBOX 360
Wow. I think I know why my electric bill is so high :P
I also need access to my office via VPN.
I personally don't use the bandwidth all the time. But it sure makes my customers happy when they can download from me at 2mbps. I would love a faster connection. I just had to download a Veritas file 500 meg. I wish it was 2x as fast, or even 4x as fast. Otherwise I am just sitting around waiting for things to happen.
As I said, I am not averaging anywhere near the 15mbps/2mbps, but when I need to use it I am glad it is there. |
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use_ssh
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join:2005-11-16
Reston, VA
2 edits | reply to Insder
said by Insder :Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials. Haha.. That's so funny. Using your logic, 300 baud modems will take care of uploading, so why even bother with 90KB/sec uploads?
It's called progress.
Regarding your P2P not being legal... Using your logic, since networks, and the Internet on a larger scale, can be used for illegal activities, they must be illegal.
But why stop at P2P? There's FTP, SMTP, POP3, IMAP, NNTP, HTTP, HTTPS, the list goes on and on... Those too can be used to facilitate illegal activities. Are you going to go after them as well?
Do you also consider VHS recorders, DVD recorders, CD recorders, telephones, cell phones, encryption, etc, etc. illegal? They too can be used for illegal purposes.
I normally wouldn't respond to threads such as this, but I mean, come on. Sorry for the rant.
Absurdity++
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majortom1981
join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY
| reply to Trevorm7
the problem with a 60/5 package is the fact that those download speeds will take away the total bandiwdth of a node faster . Why would they increase there speeds when they don't even have any where near the traffic to see if there current configuration can handle the setup that they have now.
They don't even have their whole network wired for fios yet.
Shouldn't they worry about rolling out fiber to their whole network before spending money on bringing even higher speeds? |
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sdgthy
@optonline.net
| The MCI merger went through, they now own a major part of the internet backbone. So backbone is no longer an issue. The BPON split is X32, but that's as designed, not installed base. From the looks of things, there's at least a x2 overdesign or better in most places, if not all, places. So realistically, the 655/155 is split amongst maybe 16 users max.
All of that points to they could offer 60/5 or even better with little risk of customers seeing slow downs, so long as the link from the CO can support the traffic. |
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eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
2 edits | reply to Insder
said by Insder :I'm not trolling. Who the hell said I was trolling? Your actions said you were trolling. All your posts in this thread have been about why Verizon doesn't need to or should not raise their speeds, or offer speeds as fast as they do now, for FiOS. That was not the topic of this thread. Why does it matter to you whether or not they offer tens of megabits worth of speed? If you don't have anything of value to contribute and you continually post off topic, that is trolling. We would prefer that you go troll somewhere else so we can get back to the orginal topic of the thread. |
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eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
| reply to majortom1981
said by majortom1981 :the problem with a 60/5 package is the fact that those download speeds will take away the total bandiwdth of a node faster . Why would they increase there speeds when they don't even have any where near the traffic to see if there current configuration can handle the setup that they have now. I doubt you're going to see very many 60/5 customers in residential developments paying $200 a month. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Not if it goes to 55 dollars a month. You are correct in saying that most people who buy the package won't be maxing it out and they can afford to oversell. |
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majortom1981
join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY
| reply to Trevorm7
Hmm So they cannot afford to over sell. Just look at cablevision.
People are complaining that they max out there 30/2 conenctions on boost.
I think verizon would be stupid to upgrade people to such high speeds before their network is done.
Why not use that money to get your service out to your whole network and work on getting tv to your whole network first. |
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monku
@bellsouth.ne
| whats stupid, is people complaining about maxing out 30/2. i'm still on 3/384 dsl because verizon won't move into my area even though they are just 200miles from me. I don't complain about maxing my connection, sure i max it. but its not slow. i would love a 15/2 connection and would kill somebody for a 30/2 connection, if anybody is complaining about it they need to get their head caught in a blender.
Dont confuse this with a "technology should not advance" post. i love the technological race, but people who complain are just fricken retarded. |
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kday
join:2005-04-20
Southlake, TX
| reply to Trevorm7
If Verizon makes the speeds faster, it will force the competitors to up their speeds, and we will once again see an evolution in useful bandwidth hungry web applications.
Just think.... on-demand streaming hi-def video straight to your PC. VPN as fast and convenient as being at the office.
These are just some examples off the top of my head, and I truly don't know what's going to come next, but the internet still has huge potential for innovation in web services. Recently, we have seen bandwidth hungry services such as Flickr, YouTube, MySpace, Gmail, Podcasts, Personal Video Podcasts, and too many others to name. If the ISP's don't up the bandwidth, the internet slows down and comes to a standstill. In other words, providing more bandwidth aids in the evolution of the internet. Believe it or not, you and I will someday be utilizing 30 mbps on a daily basis. Probably even within the next couple years.
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TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| reply to majortom1981
said by majortom1981 :I think verizon would be stupid to upgrade people to such high speeds before their network is done. Why not use that money to get your service out to your whole network and work on getting tv to your whole network first. What money?
What does it cost Verizon to reprovision existing FIOS connections for faster speeds? Nothing as there are no hardware changes required.
At best you may be able to argue that they would have to upgrade their backbone network to accommodate the increased customer traffic (if customer traffic actually increases substantially overall as a result of faster speed offerings - a conclusion that has not been established) but without knowing how much excess capacity they have in their existing backbone infrastructure or their incremental costs of adding additional backbone capacity, you are just speculating.
One thing is for sure, offering unmatched speeds certainly gives VZ a marketing advantage over their competitors and will probably lure more customers over to FIOS which does translate into more money for them.
So before you get all worried that VZ is "wasting" money by offering even faster speeds when they should be spending that money on additional FIOS deployments perhaps you should leave it to the people who have all the facts to make the decision. |
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MagScribe
join:2001-08-20
West Chester, PA
| reply to Trevorm7
More bandwidth is crucial — at some point, the Internet will replace radio and TV — and offer much more choice.
I'm delighted with my 15/2 service — but to be honest, would be happier with more upload speed, as I tend to FTP some very large (60-70 MB files), nothing illegal, things that are my own creations, and that used to take forever when I had a cable modem.
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First, slow DSL. Second, often useless, messed up satellite. Third, cable modem...so this is what broadband is like. |
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