Vamp
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MD | reply to Trevorm7
Re: [net] 60/5?
that would be dumb and useless, it's probably really hard to find servers to even max 30mbit.
If they were going to add a faster package it should be like 30/8 or 30/10 or something.
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GeekNJ
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join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| First off, I think this is all rumors.
As for a single server maxing out 30mb, I think that's not really the reason for more bandwidth now. It has to do with multiple simultaneous users and multiple applications. Browsing the internet is hardly differentiated between a 1.5mb DSL and a 30mb FIOS connection. Same for email. Add in streaming video, music, browsing, uploading, etc and that's where the higher caps make sense.
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Trevorm7
join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL
| I can tell a big difference with 1.5mb dsl and 5mb cable, especially while I'm, downloading a file and surfing at the same time. I remember when I was downloading with dsl it was a pain to surf at the same time. Then I got 5mb cable and it was better than got 10mb cable and was uber better and then went back to 5mb and it was horrible because someone else in the house was gobbling all the upload speed and then they upgraded us to 7mb and I use that now. |
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Vamp
5c077
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MD
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said by GeekNJ  :First off, I think this is all rumors. As for a single server maxing out 30mb, I think that's not really the reason for more bandwidth now. It has to do with multiple simultaneous users and multiple applications. Browsing the internet is hardly differentiated between a 1.5mb DSL and a 30mb FIOS connection. Same for email. Add in streaming video, music, browsing, uploading, etc and that's where the higher caps make sense. even multiple users, 30mbps is more than enough for everyone to stream videos and play games simultaneously. Even 15mbps is enough for 3 or 4 people to stream videos and play games at the same time, most streaming videos are not even over 1000kbps, and most games barely use any bandwidth at all. Edit: and if 3 or 4 people in your home are playing online at the same time frequently then you should kick their ass and make them go outside for awhile.. lol
Now it might make sense if this type of service were to goto businesses and schools (if Verizon would install FIOS to such places).
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | For those institutions they have their business level tiers. Those places need dedicated connections. |
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Trevorm7
join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL
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"most streaming videos are not even over 1000kbps, and most games barely use any bandwidth at all."
The only reason why it's like that is because alot of people don't have much bandwidth, so at first there may not be many reasons but when alot of people have the bandwidth there will be applications to use it.
Meanwhile have fun downloading alot simultaneously without slowing down. |
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acrufox
join:2004-07-14
Canada
| After all the contacts I have made in resolving my issues. Please stop the rumor mill, there will be no package changes in 2006. Comcast can barely keep up as it is, especially on their upstream.
Verizon will only introduce such rumors when they choose to quash Comcast. As of right now they are more focused of getting new cities lit up and TV franchising. Anything Verizon offers to date will equal that of Comcast or slightly surpass it.
All these new tiers are RUMOR and SPECULATION. Verizon isn't going to implement new tiers when they haven't even established themselves in some states. |
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GeekNJ
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join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| I agree, as noted previously, it's all rumors right now.
Verizon has lowered FIOS in parts of NY (and I think in parts of another state) offering their 30/5 package for $55.
Also, there are other ISPs that Verizon needs to compete against such as Cablevision which offers 15/2 for the same cost as Verizon does and 30/2 for $10 more/mo.
Maybe Verizon will go with regional pricing to compete as appropriate or maybe they will try and stay with a common cost across all their markets. We'll have to see how it pans out.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to Vamp
Use a download accelerator something like GetRight. Puts flame shield up. |
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eco
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join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
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said by Vamp :that would be dumb and useless, it's probably really hard to find servers to even max 30mbit. Yet Ferrari still makes a killing selling 200MPH cars here in the US even though there are no roads with speed limits higher than 80MPH. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Yey another car analogy... To the poster who said 30 mbit is useless: If you have multiple people in your home it is very useful. Whenever I download at 5/6 my max speed my ping shoots up in multiplayer games online. I don't think it is the ack packets either. My speed is 5/384. Usenet can certainly accomodate such a large pipe. You can also be downloading alot of things simultaeniously at high speeds all around. |
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Vamp
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MD | Well with adequate upload speed, the pings shouldn't start going up when downloading, unless you are really consuming it like crazy. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Thing is when I use half my upload on regular uploading (like 20 KB/sec everything is fine anything higher fluctuates my ping) I don't get the ping issue, but when I download and use the upload half as ack packets I start to see pings rise. |
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Jackie_Chan
join:2003-01-05 | 30Mb is far from useless  I use all 30Mb of it quite easily. |
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druber
join:2000-04-11
Marlborough, MA | reply to grandpinaple
are you running some kind of QoS router? if so, it's very common for them to prioritize ACK packets, so the behavior you describe makes sense... |
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Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA
| reply to Jackie_Chan
Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what?
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Seems like the legality issue is just another reason innovation is stifled to some extent in this country. |
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Trevorm7
join:2005-01-17
Clearwater, FL
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said by Insder :Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what? Um, thats not true. P2P does not have to be ilegal, ethical people shouldn't be punished with slow speed because people are always using P2P for ilegal crap.
Plus slow speeds will not stop or help ilegal downloading. |
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use_ssh
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join:2005-11-16
Reston, VA
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said by Insder :Legally is a better way of putting it. As I say many times, there are not many ways for single individuals to use 30/5 legally. There are some ways (VOIP, multiple servers, etc), and definitely for corporations, but the average user has P2P and..what? Here's a way to use the 30/5 connection: any time you want to send or receive a large file. File sizes are only growing.
Anyone who has played the dial-up waiting game while trying to send large pictures to grandma and grandpa can appreciate a shorter upload time.
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Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA
| Large pictures as in 3 megabytes? That's the max for a consumer level camera. Now, honestly, my 90 kb/sec upload takes care of that perfectly. And I state P2P in the obvious illegal sense. Not everyone in the world leaves linux/bsd torrents uploading all day (some do, good for you! More to you!), and you know this. Don't come back at me telling me P2P is legal, because a good chunk of it is illegal materials.
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