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LiberalKing
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BloodRoses
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Steve
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said by LiberalKing See Profile :

First moron, more like it.
said by the article :

it was not really designed to stop programs from getting out (phoning home)
Is "was in no way designed for" different from "was not really designed for" ? I think the latter suggests a minor effort which expects to fail, while the former suggests that the issue was not addressed in any way.

The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous.

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said by Steve See Profile :

The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous.
I've read that the firewall that comes with Windows Vista will be a true 2 way firewall. The existing firewall vendors are already probably having their lawyers draw up anti-trust charges against Microsoft.
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said by Steve See Profile :

said by LiberalKing See Profile :

First moron, more like it.
said by the article :

it was not really designed to stop programs from getting out (phoning home)
Is "was in no way designed for" different from "was not really designed for" ? I think the latter suggests a minor effort which expects to fail, while the former suggests that the issue was not addressed in any way.

The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous.

Steve
Amen Steve See Profile. I'd really like to know why an inbound only firewall failing an outboung firewall test, is news?
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JoeOnSunset
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reply to LiberalKing
This makes me want to bang my head on a table. Why is it news that software not designed to do something, lo and behold, doesn't do that thing? Arrrg! Here's a newsflash: I designed a great new test suite and found out that my television fails miserably at recording to DVDs. It wasn't really designed to be a DVD recorder, you see.


Phylop
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reply to BloodRoses
Isn't there a rule against "first post" posts?


fireflier
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LOL. I have a toaster oven that keeps shocking the crap out of me when I try to make margaritas with it. Why won't my TOASTER OVEN make margaritas???

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reply to GOLFnSUN
I've also read that the two-way firewall is supposed to make an appearance in XP/SP3 when it's realeased later this year.

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reply to GOLFnSUN
Correct, MS actually posted the details months ago: »www.microsoft.com/technet/commun···106.mspx

Moreover it's been already in Vista betas for a while now (since CTP Dec) but it wasn't that easy to activate: »www.networkworld.com/news/2006/0···all.html

I've received the latest beta (CTP Feb) from MSDN weeks ago but I haven't had a chance yet to look whether it's got better or not...


micl
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reply to Steve
I remember when a firewall meant it blocked in-bound *and* outbound. If it just blocks in-bound, is it really a firewall just because someone calls it a firewall? Or is it just NAT?
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said by micl See Profile :

I remember when a firewall meant it blocked in-bound *and* outbound.
That's never been the definition: a firewall is a device which applies access policy to network traffic, and the administrator can define it in any direction as he wishes.

In 1994 I was setting up Livingston Portmaster routers with fairly extensive filtering rules, and just because I chose to employ no outbound protection doesn't mean that it wasn't a firewall.

And the XP firewall isn't do NAT anyway.

Steve
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reply to Phylop
Yes, there is.
The rule is, smart people aren't allowed to do it.


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reply to Steve
Ah, the Portmaster... I remember them well. I managed a few of them.

Great device, I liked it better than the Cisco 52xx and 53xx RAS servers but a hundred and twenty modems is just a mess of wires and cables.

Ever work with a DiGi board? I still have a couple of those around

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