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|  Whats next banning cameras in public?
Reading this makes me think I may have done the right thing by not doing it.
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MnR
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? Hi,
If they can put a plastic Owl on their antennae, You can take a picture of it. And if they don't like it, Tough!
If they say you can't Do it from a Public area with a Long Telephoto lens.
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aloneworld
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by sirsloop  :I was recently pulled over on the NJ turnpike for taking a picture of a a cop car...lol... apparently IT IS illegal to take pictures these days!!! I think you got pulled for taking pictures while driving which is illegal.
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1 edit | Know your rights.
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Just don't be a jerk if confronted. The people in the ABC story were using rental cars that were in ficticious names and fled when confronted. There is a big difference.
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Jason Levine
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| I don't think it's just you. I've been weighing a similar issue for a bit and have yet to come to a definite conclusion. Of course, there's a bit of a wrinkle to my situation.
I work at a hospital (as a webmaster, but in the hospital itself). The hospital has this great big giant smokestack thing that I think would look just perfect as a photograph. (Especially when the light hits it just so.) And the hospital building itself is nice and would make for a nice photo.
Of course, I'm an employee of the hospital so that might be frowned upon. Plus, I'm not sure if HIPAA would get involved. (It seems to get involved in everything.) After all, what if one of my shots captured someone entering the hospital? That might be considered a breach of their medical privacy. (Don't be so quick to dismiss this... HIPAA can be very overreaching. Nearly everyone who deals with it hates it at one time or another.)
I've brought my camera in at times and have repeatedly shyed away from what might have been spectacular shots because of fear of some kind of reprisal. I might actually contact HR for guidance on this issue.
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by Jason Levine :...I might actually contact HR for guidance on this issue. Probably not a bad place to start. you may want to bring along a few pictures to demonstarte that all you want is to capture a specific image for your personal portfolio. You never know, they may ask you to take pics of the hospital to hang up in the various waiting rooms.
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vapochilled
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Macungie, PA | like HR will say anything that could even remotely cause them an issue!
Sorry, but this country now sucks for personal freedom, it's a fallacy!, when you have to ask about taking a picture of anything! your freedom has long since gone! | |
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Jason Levine
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? I'm guessing that was meant to be a reply to me. If so, then my situation has a slight complication over the regular "photographer on the street" in that I work at the location. Also, there are stringent laws regarding patient confidentiality (HIPAA). If I photographed a patient going in for some type of procedure, I might be breaking HIPAA laws and that could easily get me fired. (Possibly sued as well.)
In any case, I got a reply back from HR that there was no policy on the matter and I should check with marketing. Marketing gave me the ok with one provision: Keep my badge on me in case security sees and questions me. (Fair enough for me.) Perhaps I'll take my camera in tomorrow and see if I can capture those shots I wanted to get. 
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? The local Sutter that My wife works at and Memorial Hospital all now Ban Cameras inside delivery rooms. Why? They are afraid if something goes wrong during a delivery the Camera or Camcorder will be hard evidence.
»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11298756/site/newsweek/
So I understand your concern, HIPPA is a very tuff rule. Glad you could take the photo but you had a few loops to do it. Keeping your badge on in case security questions you makes your quest about 98% did they give you something in writing you could show to security?
Good luck
said by Jason Levine :I'm guessing that was meant to be a reply to me. If so, then my situation has a slight complication over the regular "photographer on the street" in that I work at the location. Also, there are stringent laws regarding patient confidentiality (HIPAA). If I photographed a patient going in for some type of procedure, I might be breaking HIPAA laws and that could easily get me fired. (Possibly sued as well.) In any case, I got a reply back from HR that there was no policy on the matter and I should check with marketing. Marketing gave me the ok with one provision: Keep my badge on me in case security sees and questions me. (Fair enough for me.) Perhaps I'll take my camera in tomorrow and see if I can capture those shots I wanted to get.
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Jason Levine
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by inciter :The local Sutter that My wife works at and Memorial Hospital all now Ban Cameras inside delivery rooms. Wow. If a hospital ever told my wife and me that we couldn't take photos in the delivery room, we'd look into another hospital give birth at. My wife actually threatened me if I didn't take photos of our son right after he was born. (Long story. Basically, I'm somewhat religious -- Jewish -- and among other things don't take photos from Friday night to Saturday night. Luckily, our son was born on a Sunday.  )
said by inciter :So I understand your concern, HIPPA is a very tuff rule. Glad you could take the photo but you had a few loops to do it. Keeping your badge on in case security questions you makes your quest about 98% did they give you something in writing you could show to security? The reply was in the form of an e-mail, so I can print it off (along with HR's reply in case security claims that it's "against HR policy" or something) and keep it with me just in case.
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| HIPPA is one of the strongest laws that exist to protect the privacy of people with medical problems or a person's personal information. The law makes sure that people have the right to treatment without the scrutiny of other. The best part of this law was that insurance companies used to pry into people's lives and get their health info and then deny coverage if they had a condition that would cost them a lot of money to maintain the patient. Doctors used to talk about their patients in the elevators in the hospitals. No more due to this law.
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? I saw this in action the other day. We had to take my daughter to Children's Hospital to have some tests. As we were walking down the hall to the exam room, the technician started asking me about why she was getting the tests run, then started profusely apologizing for asking me in the hall, that he is supposed to wait until we are alone in the exam room before asking any questions. It wasn't a big deal to me, but apparently it was to him.
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Scarsdale, NY | Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? In the strictest interpretation of the HIPAA law he was in violation of the law. A lawsuit from that would though be laughed out of court.
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1 edit | Wrath is so right, we are now protected from Doc's yet you would not know it from TV, (House) is a prime subject. He rankles my wife when he starts jabbering in front of a spouse or in the halls.
I asked my wife about asking about me, (not for the blue pill) but something different, and she being well aware of HIPAA said no way it won't happen! we have the same doctor if she even utters how I mite be doing can cross the line. It's a tuff Photographers law (smile) that protects us all. (wink,wink,jab,jab no what I mean huh, huh no what I mean).
Well at Walmart I took some pics of the fish in the tanks Saturday, the guy feeding them said that's a first! Sounded cool and all, then butt's in and asks? Can I ask why you are doing this? My wife Say's it's a new toy. He took that as an okay for me to continue I guess nothing happened. But both of us figured he thought we were from the fish patrol or something, maybe the boss checking on how he cleans the tanks. You get the drift folks with cameras draw attention. These cell phone cameras actually get to me cause you don't know they are taking pictures! And if you read some of the latest about getting jobs HR's use google for deep digging. Last thing I want is a prospective job going down the tubes cause the HR found me with a few exposed fun time enjoyment activities.
It can happen to you, it can happen to me, it can happen to everyone eventually.
I just made that up (smile)
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2 edits | Not in a bad way I'm just amused that something so innocent as taking a picture of a building ffs, can be the cause of so much hassle! It was more a poke at how stupid things are here now, rather than your predicament.
Like the "no photo's" on the NY bridges, what fucking idiot thought that up? If I want to blow the damn thing up, (or wait ten minutes for it to fall down on it's own!) I'll go on the internet, and get very detailed engineering drawings of that bridge(yes I checked, there are tech drawings for the GWB out there!)
Does every person who appears on TV news have to sign a release form? because they happened to be walking by when the TV crew were filming....No, and they are using those images to gain profit! How about people who appear in the local rag? nope, no release there either!
This fear is being propagated by ignorance of the law, on many different levels, from the photographer to the jumped up idiot who arrests you for taking a picture of a bridge as being a terrorist!
What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? being handcuffed and having your equipment taken and examined sure as hell don't sound like innocent until proven to me!
My point was that no one seems to care that these little infringements are taking place? You're given the guise of "national security" lol, the number of civil liberties being eroded, goes way beyond security. | |
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sirsloop
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| I can understand on private propery about being harrassed... I think most other places and while driving its bs....
btw, I did not get a ticket from that stop. I was courteous to the officer which dissolved the encounter. I think being an all around friendly person will go real far in this line of business! | |
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by sirsloop :I can understand on private propery about being harrassed... I think most other places and while driving its bs.... btw, I did not get a ticket from that stop. I was courteous to the officer which dissolved the encounter. I think being an all around friendly person will go real far in this line of business! So would standing up for your rights! though it will likely cost more in terms of time and money, I guess that's why it rolls downhill | |
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1 edit | I can no longer link to the article, but a local photographer was arrested for taking pictures of a local refinery. He noticed that it was quite pretty to look at, at night. They have lights all over the place. Even on the towers. It is actually something to see. I myself, have wanted to take pictures of it. He was outside the fence, on public property, when the police pulled up and arrested him. He was handcuffed and they asked, "if he was a terrorist". They fingerprinted him and everything. I think the charges were dropped eventually and he got his camera equipment back.
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reub2000
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by reub2000 :What about inside of a public school? Can I photograph anything I want? Go into a public school and find out? I'm sure you can not unless you get permission to do so. If you just go in and start snapping away or even start snapping away at kids in the play ground, I bet you will be approached by staff or the police. If it's a sport or open event yeah sure football games baseball but unless it's an open campus or your doing a year book with permission good luck.
You know what would be better if you did this behind some bushes give it a try you have the right to do so from what I understand.
Tell us how long you spent in custody before you got released. We would really like to hear from you...
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reub2000
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by inciter :said by reub2000 :What about inside of a public school? Can I photograph anything I want? Go into a public school and find out? I'm sure you can not unless you get permission to do so. If you just go in and start snapping away or even start snapping away at kids in the play ground, I bet you will be approached by staff or the police. If it's a sport or open event yeah sure football games baseball but unless it's an open campus or your doing a year book with permission good luck. You know what would be better if you did this behind some bushes give it a try you have the right to do so from what I understand. Tell us how long you spent in custody before you got released. We would really like to hear from you... I really haven't had any problems shooting inside of my high school. I did have one incident where a student threated to shove my camera up another student butt. I decided it wasn't worth it try and take a picture in that situation. And the school doesn't have a playground.
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? Oh yeah sure if your a student your not going to encounter much of a fuss, cept the occasional student that wishes not to be photographed as you pointed out. Sure you can do it how many cell pic phones you think are in school?
I would say you could pull quite a few fun candied shots in fact. But can you put them on the INTERNET without the students permission? That would be the test...
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| Re: Whats next banning cameras in public? said by inciter :Oh yeah sure if your a student your not going to encounter much of a fuss, cept the occasional student that wishes not to be photographed as you pointed out. Sure you can do it how many cell pic phones you think are in school? I would say you could pull quite a few fun candied shots in fact. But can you put them on the INTERNET without the students permission? That would be the test... Well my school's webmaster publishes some of my images without a release from the subject.
If a student asks me not take their picture, do I legaly have to stop taking their picture? Is it considered private propery because not everyone can enter the school? Or is it considered public property because it's owned by the government? | |
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eXodus
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| My old high school (I switched schools recently but my girlfriend still goes there) has a ban of all photography and video recording and cell phones and iPods and anything else you can think of that is not a pencil, paper, or chalk.
They are very strict about photography, mostly camera phones due to taking pictures of tests, exams, and finals. Oh and one kid took a picture up a girls skirt without asking with a camera phone.
I have brought my dSLR to school to photograph evens such as Powerderpuff, Halloween parades, Spirit week etc... Administration didn't have a problem with that, one because it was for a project, and two you will never see a student there with a dSLR, only p&s cams.
As long as you don't take photos up girls skits or of sensitive material, I don't think its a problem. They do have a problem with publishing student names, information, and photos without a parental consent form, at least in New Jersey (You cant even use the internet until your parent or guardian signs a form allowing you to even touch a computer). I have had to exclude students names and photos from the school website before, whether or not the student said okay, it was up to the parent or guardian.
Overall I would definitely ask permission before I just go in and start taking photos.
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| We just gave birth to our third child and asked specifically if we could videotape. We ended up taking video and digital pictures. We also agreed that we would seek another hospital is ours didn't approve of video or photography. HIPPA in it's strictest interpretation should not disallow photos of the building in general but you may run into difficulties with taking pictures of building entrances or exits of specialty facilities like Cancer, Rehabilitation, or other special types of facilities.
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